Keeping It Real: Jillian Michaels with Luis Elizondo, May 2026. · Jillian Michaels, YouTube thumbnail
Jillian Michaels' second interview with Luis Elizondo, recorded about May 2026, soon after the first PURSUE release and with the FBI inquiry into missing scientists under way; Ross Coulthart later quoted it. Michaels plays Tim Burchett's Newsmax clip, which includes Matt Gaetz on hybrid breeding programs. Elizondo answers that what Gaetz describes is known as 'MILABs', a long-standing agreement since the 1950s that gives non-human intelligence access to human specimens: he heard of it at the Pentagon but was not privy to the specifics. He adds his own 2018 dinner with Amy Eskridge, the threat he and David Grusch received at the Space Force, his near-fatal motorcycle crash, his recruitment into the tail of Stargate, two abduction-type accounts from people he knows, and a 2004 White House week on disclosure.
Overview
Elizondo, firsthand: the Eskridge dinner and the promised anti-gravity demo; the Space Force threat with Grusch; the FBI full-field inquiry; the motorcycle crash; recruitment by Eugene Lessmann; AATIP unbriefed to the president and SecDef; a Havana syndrome colleague.
What he was told: the MILAB agreement and officers who saw military personnel around UAP; fighters escorting UAP; the Air Force cop's phone telemetry; the CIA couple and the sneezed chip; the 2004 White House week and the RAND study; Stubblebine and the 'demonic' pushback.
His speculation, flagged: a shadow government since the late 1940s; some scientists' deaths not natural; remote viewing never really ended; crossbreeding is scientifically feasible.
Leads to follow
The 2004 White House disclosure week: who attended?
The RAND study of the effects of disclosure.
The Havana syndrome death in 2025 (the first-cohort embassy officer).
The senior CIA officer who 'has already come out a little bit'.
The Army SOP handbook on remote viewing Elizondo says is declassified.
The exact air date (Coulthart says May 2026).
Timeline
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1950s on
The MILAB agreementCooperation for 'access to certain human specimens'
Late 1940s-50s
A shadow governmentHe agrees with Greer; outside Gang of Eight oversight
In 2018 he had dinner in Huntsville with Amy Eskridge, her father and a group that included AATIP members; they said they had built an anti-gravity device and could demonstrate it, and he was due to see a demonstration the following month. She said she feared for her safety and was being harassed.'2018, I believe'; he says he cannot speak to her mental health. [26:13-27:01, 34:47]firsthandLuis ElizondoAmy Catherine EskridgeLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
As Stargate was ending he was recruited in the Army by Eugene Lessmann, one of its best remote viewers; Congress pulled the funding and he became an operations officer, but he was there long enough to know the program was real. An Army SOP handbook on remote viewing exists.[55:51-56:26]firsthandLuis ElizondoStargate is shut downLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
About two months before the interview he survived a near-fatal motorcycle crash: flown to shock trauma, a punctured lung, spleen removed, a traumatic brain injury with 32 or 35 skull fractures, and a detached retina.He does not claim foul play. [1:58-2:18]firsthandLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Alleged / one person's word (14)
What Gaetz describes is what the UFO community calls 'MILABs': a long-standing agreement under which we work cooperatively with 'our friends from out of town', and in exchange they 'would have access to certain human specimens biologically in order to test'. If true, it began 'sometime in the 1950s' and has continued.'I heard about that while I was at the Pentagon. I was not privy to the specifics.' [7:24-8:13]anonymousunnamed Pentagon sources → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Several former Air Force and other intelligence officers swear by the arrangement; they say they saw UAP with military personnel around the vehicles, 'very nonchalant, as if it was supposed to be'.[8:13-8:38]anonymousformer Air Force and intelligence officers (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
There are cases in which UAP were apparently escorted by American and allied fighter jets, suggesting cooperation.'I can't tell you for certain because I wasn't privy to that.' [9:11]anonymousunnamed military sources → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Military and intelligence officials who 'have never lied to me' have told him about hybridization, but he has no firsthand knowledge of it or of forced hybridization.[10:53-11:01]anonymousmilitary and intelligence officials (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Stargate 'absolutely worked' by the Pentagon's data; members of Congress privately told Gen. Stubblebine it was 'demonic', and remote viewers found the coordinates of a crashed Russian supersonic test aircraft in Africa that satellites could not locate.Explained to him by founders of the program. [54:05-55:05]secondhandStargate founders → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoStargate is shut downLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
A former Air Force security policeman who guarded a nuclear missile site and had UAP experiences in service later had night episodes around 3:33 am ('a silver room'). One night his wife found him gone, then back in bed; his iPhone telemetry, analysed through the carrier, shows the phone by the bed until 3:30, then 60 ft above the house for six or eight minutes with no transit, then back.He has the carrier data and his wife confirms; Elizondo allows the phone may have malfunctioned. [1:22:47-1:25:07]anonymousretired Air Force security policeman and his wife (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
A very senior CIA officer, a friend of his, and his wife, a CIA psychologist, panicked one night in their Virginia home and woke lying on their back lawn. Agency doctors found a puncture in the back of his neck, and when she sneezed a metal chip that looked technological came out. 'There's people at the agency that are witting.'He won't name the officer, who 'has already come out a little bit'. [1:25:15-1:26:27]anonymoussenior CIA officer and his wife (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoCentral Intelligence AgencyLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate