YouTube video · UAP Gerb · early 2025
Dugway Proving Ground - UFO Legacy Programs
Gerb builds a case that Dugway Proving Ground in Utah hosts a UFO legacy program, centered on witness "MS", a contract painter who says he walked into a building at the Avery Technical Center in 2009 and saw a hovering seamless saucer before being held at gunpoint and interrogated. Gerb interviewed MS himself in June 2024. Around this he sets Dugway's documented facts, a 2012 environmental assessment map showing an Avery tunnel entrance, and accounts from Greer, Fouche, Arnold House and others about work moving from Area 51 to Utah. His model of an Army and Air Force joint program with Battelle staff is his own reasoning.
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1953
Garrison, Utah crash storyA blue light crash and later dig marks; Gerb calls it a dead end.
1967
Harvey Williams disc photosCapt. Harvey Williams photographed a Fluxliner-like disc from a C-47 over Provo.
1992
Exotic platforms moved to UtahFouche says an Air Force contingency plan moved exotic craft to Utah and other sites.
1996
Kadok email on TooeleAn Area 51 insider via Tony Kadok points to nine exclusion zones SW of Tooele, four with underground sites.
Jun 1997
Popular Mechanics "The New Area 51"Article on Michael Army Airfield; a sticky note in the image reads "call Admiral Inman".
1998
Area 51 work moved to DugwaySteve Jones email to Greer names a Dugway area west of the main gate.
2009
MS sees a saucer at AveryMS walked into an unmarked building and saw a hovering saucer with technicians, then was held and interrogated.
2012
Environmental assessment mapAir Force EA maps Avery buildings including Bldg 1002 "Avery tunnel entrance".
Jun 2023
Greer tells the MS storyAt the National Press Club Greer described the Dugway facility and an Air Force One-sized elevator.
Jun 2024
Gerb interviews MSGerb locates and interviews MS, who also says the SSCI contacted him.
The claims, checked
On the record (3)
A 2012 Air Force environmental assessment maps Avery buildings including Bldg 1002 "Avery tunnel entrance", classified storage, and an internal rail system for radioactive materials.Public environmental assessment; Gerb's guess that the craft was in Bldg 1010 is his own.analysisUS Air Force environmental assessmentDugway Proving Ground (Utah)
Dugway's West Desert Test Center is an Army test range shared with the Air Force's 388th Range Squadron, and 77 percent of its FY2013 work was for the chemical and biological defense program.GAO and Army records.analysisGAODugway Proving Ground (Utah)
Popular Mechanics' 1997 "The New Area 51" image includes a sticky note reading "call Admiral Inman at Science Applications International".Visible in the published image; its meaning is open.analysisPopular MechanicsBobby Ray InmanSAIC
Witness testimony (8)
In 2009 MS walked into an unmarked building at Dugway's Avery Technical Center and saw a seamless brushed-metal saucer hovering about a foot off the floor, surrounded by six technicians.Firsthand but pseudonymous; Gerb interviewed him in June 2024 and knows his identity. Single witness, no documents.firsthandMS (pseudonymous)
MS was held at rifle point and interrogated for about six hours by two men in black suits.MS's own account to Greer's archive and to Gerb.firsthandMS (pseudonymous)
The Senate Intelligence Committee contacted MS to testify, and he declined because of his work.Gerb says he saw screenshots of the outreach.firsthandMS (pseudonymous)
Greer told the MS story in June 2023, said the chief scientist was named to him, and gave the location to government investigators.Greer's public statement; he later published the alleged entrance location.secondhandperson/steven-greer → MS → told it
Dugway is the most critical site, and NRL's Richard Fitch saw large disc and triangle anti-gravity craft come out from underground near it.Greer quoting Fitch in 2016.secondhandRichard Fitch → person/steven-greer → told itDugway Proving Ground (Utah)
From 1992 an Air Force contingency plan moved exotic platforms to Utah, Colorado, Alaska, Greenland, Diego Garcia and S4.Fouche at IUFOC 1998, from his insider contacts.secondhandperson/edgar-fouche → his insider contacts → told itDugway Proving Ground (Utah)
Thirty-five to forty percent of Area 51 moved to Utah, to an underground site southwest of Salt Lake City reached only by air.Arnold House in Greer's 2000 archive.secondhandArnold HouseArnold House → person/steven-greer → told itDugway Proving Ground (Utah)Area 51 and S-4
Col. Weinbrenner told friends and family on his deathbed that Utah is where the alien bodies are stored.Family and friends' account.secondhandCol. WeinbrennerCol. Weinbrenner → family and friends → told itDugway Proving Ground (Utah)
Alleged / one person's word (6)
A senior DoD chemist, "GP", told MS the craft is extraterrestrial and moves by generating a wormhole between two reference points.Pseudonymous source reached only through MS.anonymousGP (pseudonym)GP → MS → person/uap-gerb → told it
A 1,300 square mile underground facility lies under Dugway, mostly beneath Granite Peak, entered by an elevator near German Village, with maglev rail to every base in the nation.GP via MS; an MS co-worker separately said he helped dig the tunnels.anonymousGP (pseudonym)GP → MS → person/uap-gerb → told itDugway Proving Ground (Utah)
An Area 51 insider said nine exclusion zones southwest of Tooele, four with underground sites, deserve a look.Tony Kadok's 1996 email to Greer; insider unnamed.anonymousArea 51 insider (anonymous)insider → Tony Kadok → person/steven-greer → told it
A US Army veteran friend of Gerb rode an underground high-speed train across state lines between facilities, entering through a small shed-like building.Gerb's own source, unnamed; Gerb says several others told him the same.anonymousGerb's veteran sourceveteran → person/uap-gerb → told it
The Dugway program is a joint Army West Desert Test Center and Air Force 388th Range Squadron effort, with Battelle and Jacobs supplying the white-coat staff.Gerb's inference from CVs and contracts; no record ties these firms to a craft.speculationBattelle Memorial InstituteDugway Proving Ground (Utah)
The armed guards MS met were industrial security from the test center's security contractors.Gerb's reading of the guard contracts (Chenega, Vance, Wackenhut).speculationWackenhut