Person
UAP Gerb (Sam)
- Who: an anonymous researcher on contractors, FFRDCs and the legacy program, with transcript batches still to come.
- How to read him: document citations check out; his contacts are unnamed, and he labels his hypotheses as such.
Pseudonymous YouTube researcher (first name Sam) who works from documents and unnamed contacts on defense contractors, federal research centres and crash-retrieval programs. On Reality Check in October 2026 he laid out his account of Kona Blue as a Lockheed-to-AAWSAP transfer vehicle. He marks his own inferences as hypotheses; where he cites documents they check out in substance.
Claims (8)
The Kona Blue program was the technology-transfer vehicle for Lockheed's Jim Ryder; Mary Sturtevant is tied to the relay.Inside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)secondhandSourced, unconfirmedUAP Gerb (Sam)
Elizondo, under AATIP and at Clapper's direction, exposed Tom DeLonge to Immaculate Constellation material as a controlled partial disclosure (his hypothesis).Inside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)speculationLeadUAP Gerb (Sam)
In the early 2000s some FFRDCs and parts of the armed forces stopped briefing new program staff on program history and breakthroughs; staff double up roles to keep read-ins small.anonymousLeadUAP Gerb (Sam)
A late-2000s Air Force plan for a 'hidden wing', to unveil some airframes without saying they were non-human derived, was killed in the early 2010s.anonymousLeadUAP Gerb (Sam)
The US has replicated the on-planet performance of non-human vehicles (saucers, triangles), not interstellar flight; most 200-300 ft triangles are 'probably ours'; humans have their own Tic Tac variant.anonymousLeadUAP Gerb (Sam)
People he knows personally have been targeted by directed-energy weapons in daily life, with cognitive decline.firsthandLeadUAP Gerb (Sam)
When Gerb and a close witness stepped up their talks, both got calls from a self-described 'special investigator' asking whether they were talking, who named Gerb although he was not using his own number; friends with friends in the program told him to remove every mention of Crane from his videos, and he refused.The price of contactThe 'Off-World Technologies Division' under NSWC Crane (2012-15)New UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49firsthandSourced, unconfirmedUAP Gerb (Sam)
Edwards witness Ed blocked every channel as soon as Edwards came up, and a general who had agreed to talk blocked him within the hour.The price of contactthread/hidden-wingUAP Reverse Engineering at Edwards Air Force Base [Redacted List Vol.2]firsthandSourced, unconfirmedUAP Gerb (Sam)
What UAP Gerb (Sam) said (383 claims)
On the record 72Witness testimony 39Alleged 266Does not hold 5
“An Army public-affairs witness on the Groom Lake flight line around 2015 saw a huge black triangle rise vertically at incredible speed without disturbing the dust.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
Firsthand to Gerb.
“The same witness, on Army supply duty in 2009-13, went to an auxiliary site just south of Groom near Papoose Lake; he saw no craft but noted red and blue floor lines governing who could walk where, a detail that matches Dan Burisch, not Lazar.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
“A second, independent visitor confirmed hangars built into, and disguised as, the mountainside near Papoose, but would not say what was inside.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
Gerb says the two accounts raise his view that S4 is a real site.
“At Lajes Field in the Azores in 1991 or 1992 a C-5 Galaxy opened its nose and unloaded a pearlescent, seamless 'Tic Tac' under a tarp; airmen who refastened the loose tarp became violently ill on the spot, and unmarked civilians took it away in a van.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
A still-serving witness, firsthand to Gerb.
“A craft that flies as Fravor describes would not need a C-5, so the Lajes object 'says NHI, or at least foreign'.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
“A witness who met legacy programs under a US Army general in an official Army role convinced Gerb that the programs are siloed by service.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
Details withheld by agreement.
“A close, trusted witness confirms multiple retrievals of bodies; their morphology is under an NDA tied to a specific facility.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
Gerb puts his own confidence in recovered bodies at 95-96%.
“A witness trained on a sphere used as a remote-viewing tool that let the user view 'parallel existences'.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
Compare the Crane sphere.
“Witness 'MS' later met a chemist who said he had worked on craft in the complex beneath Dugway; a call was set up, then MS went silent.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
“A high-ranking DoD or intelligence friend's personal challenge coin shows the Lazar 'sports model' with the word 'exploitation'.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
Shown to the host off camera; no image.
“When Gerb and a close witness stepped up their talks, both got calls from a self-described 'special investigator' asking whether they were talking, who named Gerb although he was not using his own number; friends with friends in the program told him to remove every mention of Crane from his videos, and he refused.”Witness testimonyNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
“Edwards witness Ed blocked every channel as soon as Edwards came up, and a general who had agreed to talk blocked him within the hour.”Witness testimonyNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
“The editor of 'Zero Point' said the same 'men in black' type sat staring at him and James Allen whenever they went to a Georgia bar during the edit.”Witness testimonyNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
“Derek Hennessy's claims of S4 work and Navy SEAL service do not hold: Gerb and Don Shipley found much of his service record appears falsified.”Does not holdNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
Gerb's own finding; counts against the claim. No person record.
“The 2017 'MJ-12' Aztec leak lifts a paragraph from William Steinman's book, including Steinman's own mistake about the crash location.”Does not holdNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
Pointed out by Scott Ramsey; possibly a plant to discredit Aztec. Gerb still rests his MJ-12 weight on the Eisenhower Briefing Document.
“SAIC is 'the magnum opus original legacy program coordinator', the largest SDI contractor, and SDI may have hidden backdoor directed-energy programs to bring craft down.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
“AARO's historical report vol. 1 misstates Herrera's testimony; his memorandum for record has no 'extraterrestrial vehicles / US special operations team' wording.”Witness testimonyNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
“Off air, former AARO deputy Tim Phillips said the manual he saw had detailed packaging instructions and imagery.”AllegedNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
On air he did not remember illustrations.
“It was a technology-transfer vehicle for Lockheed's Jim Ryder to pass UFO material to OSAP, and the CIA stopped it.”AllegedInside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)
Not in the documents, which name no company; fits Stratton's memoir and Knapp's version.
“Mary Sturtevant is tied to the relay.”AllegedInside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)
Her CIA and SSCI career is on record; no record of her at Lockheed.
“Elizondo exposed DeLonge to Immaculate Constellation material as a controlled disclosure.”AllegedInside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)
Gerb's own hypothesis.
“Yellow Fruit shows how a 'retired' officer can run a cover company, as TTSA might have.”On the recordInside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)
Yellow Fruit (1980s Army SAP) is documented; the TTSA parallel is Gerb's hypothesis.
“In the early 2000s specific FFRDCs and elements of the armed forces stopped briefing program incumbents on the program's history.”AllegedInside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)
Same claim as the MITRE briefing embargo, which Gerb's MITRE video dates to 2011 and he later recalls as the 'early 2010s'.
“Hunter Warrior was a real Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory experiment at Twentynine Palms in March 1997, with findings published by CNA and MCCDC.”On the record1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
1997 USMC news release and published findings summaries.
“The Navy added a late 'Hunter Air' adjunct, with aircrews from NAS Fallon and NAS Lemoore, after a 1995 ComNavAirPac report.”On the record1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
1995 Spane report and Krulak request as Gerb cites them; spellings to check.
“The encounter site lies in restricted airspace R-2501C near Emerson Dry Lake, about 44 miles from the R-2508 complex that includes Edwards and China Lake.”On the record1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
Airspace charts.
“Mandatory DoD-wide anthrax vaccination was announced only in December 1997; before that it was selective.”On the record1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
DoD announcement; supports the oddity of a targeted 'booster' in March 1997.
“Wackenhut guarded the Nevada Test Site and Area 51 perimeter and from 1987 held DOE guard subcontracts including Special Response Teams.”On the record1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
GAO reporting; board members included Bobby Ray Inman.
“The triangle was a human-built reproduction vehicle, such as a TR-3B or XF-131, flown by the Navy and Air Force out of the R-2508 test complex.”Alleged1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
Gerb's reasoning from the craft's departure toward Edwards; no record ties a program to the site.
“The Navy added its adjunct late so reproduction-vehicle teams could fly alongside the exercise unnoticed, and the cover failed when Castle's team arrived.”Alleged1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“The men in black were a Wackenhut-trained Department of Energy Special Response Team, and Wackenhut's 2002 letter was an attempt to recruit Castle as an asset.”Alleged1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
Gerb calls this his confidence, not evidence.
“Weygandt (Peru, 1997) and Herrera (Sumatra, 2009) were also debriefed, made to sign NDAs and given anthrax shots right after their encounters.”Witness testimony1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
Gerb asked both men; their full accounts are on record elsewhere.
“UFO crash material has been moved across the US labelled as nuclear material and guarded by Special Response Teams.”Alleged1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“Both human-built and non-human 'Tic Tacs' exist.”Alleged1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
Gerb heard this from sources; he offers the idea of a Lockheed test on Navy forces only as exploration.
“GAO found in 1995 that 1947 Roswell base messages were destroyed without proper authority.”On the record80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
GAO/NSIAD-95-187.
“SAIC took over the Stargate remote-viewing programme in 1991.”On the record80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
Programme record; Grusch links psi to interfacing with craft.
“In 1994 control moved from the NSC to a group of 27 drawn from industry and government, out of fear that Clinton would disclose.”Alleged80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
Gerb's unnamed sources and reasoning.
“A two-star general in the Hidden Wing planned and then killed a 2009 to 2012 effort to show derived exotic airframes without saying where they came from.”Alleged80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“As recently as 2017, specific funds were misappropriated for joint NRO and Air Force legacy activity.”Alleged80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“MITRE stopped briefing newcomers on the programme's history, from 2011.”Alleged80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
Gerb's unnamed sources; Gerb gives both dates, the MITRE episode says 2011. One spoken '2007' in this video is likely a slip for 2011.
“Radar sites in the Southwest may have caused the 1947 crashes.”Alleged80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“The MJ-12 control group was hidden inside the NSC's covert-action oversight bodies, from NSC 10/2 to the 5412 and 303 Committees.”Alleged80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“After the 1978 order on special-activity review, the programmes spread into cover programmes, research centres and Air Force administrative offices.”Alleged80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“About 40 to 50 living people can see across all the programme silos.”Alleged80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“There are at least two ARV families: saucers using electrogravitics or zero-point energy, and triangles that are a human attempt to copy NHI craft.”AllegedAlien Reproduction Vehicle - TR-3B and the Flying Triangles
Gerb's synthesis.
“The red trackball controller in the DeLonge novel Secret Machines matches the Fluxliner trackball described by Sorensen and McCandlish.”AllegedAlien Reproduction Vehicle - TR-3B and the Flying Triangles
The novel is fiction; the link is Gerb's.
“The craft was dismantled at interlocking joints, paralleling Shapiro's account of disassembled craft shipped to labs.”AllegedThe 1948 Aztec, New Mexico UFO Crash Retrieval
The dismantling is Steinman's; the parallel is Gerb's.
“The 2017 MJ-12 "DIA" document repeating Steinman was meant to muddy the case.”AllegedThe 1948 Aztec, New Mexico UFO Crash Retrieval
Gerb's reasoning; the document's authenticity is disputed.
“Dr. Gee may have been Karl Heiland, a GSI founder, Otto Schmitt or John Torrence Tate.”AllegedThe 1948 Aztec, New Mexico UFO Crash Retrieval
Gerb's candidates.
“The 1949 alloy work was prompted by Roswell debris, which Marcel described as a light metal that returned to shape.”AllegedUFOs in the Private Sector - Battelle Memorial Institute
Gerb's inference, following Anthony Bragalia's earlier research (not credited in the video).
“The 1994 account names Center before the 2010 release of the reports that list him, so the informant could not have taken the name from them.”Witness testimonyUFOs in the Private Sector - Battelle Memorial Institute
Logic first set out by Anthony Bragalia.
“Battelle helped quell public interest while studying recovered material.”AllegedUFOs in the Private Sector - Battelle Memorial Institute
Gerb's conclusion.
“An anonymous 2023 online 'Battelle biologist' claimed work on extraterrestrial biological organisms.”AllegedUFOs in the Private Sector - Battelle Memorial Institute
Gerb leaves it out for lack of evidence; not taken forward.
“MITRE may have been formed in part to serve Army UFO R&D seeding.”AllegedPhilip J. Corso - US Army UFO Technology Research & Development
Gerb's inference.
“Corso marked up his book in anger at what he "did not say", and the manuscript adds 130 pages including the Hillenkoetter and MJ-12 material.”On the recordPhilip J. Corso - US Army UFO Technology Research & Development
Comparison of the manuscript and the book.
“The convoy's route toward Atlanta points to Lockheed's Marietta plant (AFP 6) or the Georgia Nuclear Aircraft Laboratory, and to the CIA's Office of Global Access moving craft into private hands.”AllegedThe 1974 Coyame, Mexico UFO Crash
Gerb's reasoning, with Christopher Sharp's reporting as context.
“The Mexican soldiers may have died from a chemical or microbiological agent, as Sandia technicians reportedly did in the IPU report; Gerb keeps open that the US team killed them.”AllegedThe 1974 Coyame, Mexico UFO Crash
“Willingham's details change: F-94 in 1967 and 1977 but F-86 in 2008; 1948 against 1955; "never saw bodies" in 2008 against three bodies in 2012.”On the recordThe 1950s Del Rio, Texas UFO Crashes
Inconsistencies, not a documentary contradiction.
“Willingham's service record is not in the NPRC, likely lost in the 1973 fire.”On the recordThe 1950s Del Rio, Texas UFO Crashes
A missing record does not count against him.
“The two cases are separate: El Indio is 75 mi southeast of Del Rio and the object was incinerated, Willingham's site is near Langtry with three pieces, and he was in Korea in December 1950.”On the recordThe 1950s Del Rio, Texas UFO Crashes
“The Dugway program is a joint Army West Desert Test Center and Air Force 388th Range Squadron effort, with Battelle and Jacobs supplying the white-coat staff.”AllegedDugway Proving Ground - UFO Legacy Programs
Gerb's inference from CVs and contracts; no record ties these firms to a craft.
“The armed guards MS met were industrial security from the test center's security contractors.”AllegedDugway Proving Ground - UFO Legacy Programs
Gerb's reading of the guard contracts (Chenega, Vance, Wackenhut).
“RAND's VHST route map matches Hamilton's underground base map.”AllegedDeep Underground Military Bases (D.U.M.Bs.) - UFO Legacy Programs
Gerb's comparison.
“Crystal City, home to many contractors and FFRDCs, is where UFO special access programs are run, and it needs an underground facility.”AllegedDeep Underground Military Bases (D.U.M.Bs.) - UFO Legacy Programs
Gerb's reasoning.
“Ed's group sat inside the 412th Test Wing and worked jointly with the Nevada range and S4 on alien reproduction vehicles.”AllegedUAP Reverse Engineering at Edwards Air Force Base [Redacted List Vol.2]
Gerb's reading of the DPI documents; no record names the unit.
“The Long Beach company is the Aerospace Corporation.”AllegedFASTWALKERS - UFOs Outside Earth
Gerb's identification.
“The fast-walker label lets the government keep space-borne UAP data out of UFO and UAP FOIA requests.”AllegedFASTWALKERS - UFOs Outside Earth
“A 20-second clip of a disc flying beside a jet wing first appeared online in April 2008 and on YouTube on 14 May 2008; nothing earlier has been found.”On the recordIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
Anonymous footage of unknown origin.
“The clip is a second-generation recording of a screen, below 240p, with reflections of equipment on the glass.”On the recordIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
“The footage was taken from a two-seat F/A-18, such as NASA's chase F-18 with a camcorder behind the pilot; the wing angle and empty wingtip pylons match.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
Gerb's reading of the frames.
“The audio may be the ambient noise of a ship where the screen was filmed, since the waveform does not break at the cut; a faint female voice can be heard.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
Following a Reddit user's audio work.
“The disc resembles the craft Robert Jacobs described in the 1964 warhead footage and the McMinnville photographs, including the domed top and tilted flight.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
“A page posted to 4chan in 2021-22, said to be from a classified UAPTF appendix, logs fighter 'Club 11' under AWACS 'Brigham' with an object 10-15 ft off the starboard wing and the order 'open your blue envelopes'.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
Unverified; Gerb could not authenticate it.
“A second alleged page, 'behavioural data analysis', covers 1,292 cases and concludes some UAP are drones or a form of mechanical life deployed by an organic species.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
Names on it (M. Harmon, S. McCarron, K. Shakoya) and the 'Blackout Flower' report could not be traced.
“The comms log may describe the FLYBY encounter, which would make it a 'high value witness' case.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
Gerb's hypothesis.
“Real UAP have flown within 15 m of military aircraft.”Witness testimonyIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
Drawn from the Elizondo and Mellon statements.
“Whether the clip is CGI or a model on a string remains open; Gerb asks for frame-rate analysis.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - FLYBY
Commentary, not a finding.
“The Hector Airport tower operator, L.D. Jensen, watched the object pass overhead through binoculars.”Witness testimonyGlobal Air Force UFO Encounters You've Probably Never Heard of
Gerb's retelling of the Sign file; the interrogation reports are not read in the db.
“Project Sign found Gorman's P-51 measurably more radioactive than other fighters and first considered that it had flown near an 'atomic powered object'.”Witness testimonyGlobal Air Force UFO Encounters You've Probably Never Heard of
Ruppelt's account of the file; the radiation was later put down to less shielding at altitude, a cause proposed, not demonstrated.
“Radar at Vaasa, 200 km away, picked up the seven objects soon after, implying about 3,218 m/s.”AllegedGlobal Air Force UFO Encounters You've Probably Never Heard of
Gerb's figure; the db source (Yle 2009) says only 'seen or picked up near Vaasa'. No radar log released.
“Gorman and La Joya are the most compelling of the four, with the most sensor and witness data.”AllegedGlobal Air Force UFO Encounters You've Probably Never Heard of
Gerb's ranking.
“Having seen a redacted copy of the evidence, he can say with a high degree of certainty that the meeting did take place, though not that what the insider said is true.”Witness testimonyMichael Herrera: UFO Whistleblower (ft. Joeyisnotmyname)
Gerb at 24:03.
“Herrera and Weygandt met the same paramilitary group, likely DOE/NEST.”AllegedMichael Herrera: UFO Whistleblower (ft. Joeyisnotmyname)
Gerb's reasoning.
“FOIA releases show Terry Phillips in multiple classified meetings of the DoD IG's UAP evaluation and briefing the deputy IG in March 2021.”On the recordThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Black Vault releases, February and July 2025.
“AFOSI's special projects office is charged to 'secure, recover, and protect' sensitive technologies and lists sites at Palmdale, Wright-Patterson, Kirtland and Crystal City.”On the recordThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
AFOSI public mission statements.
“The Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office runs about 30 programmes under a board chaired by the defence acquisition under secretary and leans heavily on AFOSI.”On the recordThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Walden at the Mitchell Institute, 2018.
“Randall Walden commanded a classified flight test squadron at Nellis, led the Rapid Capabilities Office and joined the Aerospace Corp board in 2023.”On the recordThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Public CV.
“In 1947 Air Materiel Command asked for German technicians, including Organisation Todt's Xaver Dorsch, for an underground plant programme.”On the recordThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Paperclip documents.
“Eric Henry Wang headed special studies at Wright Air Development Center, was scientific monitor at Upshot-Knothole in 1953 and moved to Kirtland in 1956.”On the recordThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
1961 obituary and Kirtland yearbook.
“Ed, a retired Air Force officer, worked on Hidden Wing test and evaluation at Edwards with the Nevada range, and later saw 30 to 40 percent of Air Force budget moved to black accounts before financial review.”Witness testimonyThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb has seen Ed's military records; first heard through Greer's notes.
“A contractor saw a seamless disc being partly dismantled in a hangar at Dugway's Avery area.”Witness testimonyThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Witness MS as Gerb relays.
“People with firsthand Air Force legacy experience told Gerb the Rapid Capabilities Office packages acquisition-office involvement, and named its integration office directly.”AllegedThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“Several non-public legacy insiders, one in Air Force UFO research, have been harassed by the FBI since 2021.”AllegedThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“The Hidden Wing tests recovered craft, derivative airframes and reproduction vehicles across Edwards, Nevada and Utah ranges, with pilots from the Air Force and Navy test pilot schools.”AllegedThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Air Force test and evaluation special programmes, under AFMC and AFRL, sit at the hands-on top of the chain, with Boeing, Lockheed and Northrop at Plant 42.”AllegedThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“AFOSI's special projects office and DARPA's security office may be behind reprisals against Grusch and Borland.”AllegedThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Air Materiel Command received the Roswell wreckage and built early underground facilities with Paperclip expertise.”AllegedThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Eric Davis is practising programme protection, perhaps on AFRL's instruction, when he denies reproduction vehicles exist.”AllegedThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Richard Doty's stories, including his account of a disinformation job offer in 2019, are disinformation.”AllegedThe Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“The Area 51 egg-shaped craft resembles the craft Weygandt describes in Peru.”AllegedThe Alien and UFO Obscure Oddities Iceberg (Level 1)
Gerb's comparison.
“The Washington wave led directly to decades of stigma around UFOs.”AllegedThe Alien and UFO Obscure Oddities Iceberg (Level 1)
Gerb's reading.
“Battelle did special metallurgical analysis for Wright-Patterson in 1949-55, on anomalous material.”AllegedThe Alien and UFO Obscure Oddities Iceberg (Level 2)
Battelle's Blue Book support is documented; the anomalous-material part is Gerb's reading.
“Wright-Patterson monitored a reported saucer landing in Afghanistan on 24 January 1956, and the Air Force considered an aerial check on whether authorities were hauling a craft to Kabul.”AllegedThe Alien and UFO Obscure Oddities Iceberg (Level 2)
Document shown by Gerb; not read here.
“Rep. Mike Turner, whose district includes Wright-Patterson, was the leading opponent of the UAP Disclosure Act.”On the recordThe Alien and UFO Obscure Oddities Iceberg (Level 2)
Gerb's observation of the 2023 NDAA fight.
“The Iraq captured-materiel role may have exposed Nell to a downed UAP, which would explain his firsthand standing.”AllegedSOL Foundation: Karl Nell - A Key Figure in UAP Disclosure
Gerb's question, not a claim Nell has made.
“AARO is missing from the plan's phase 0 list.”On the recordSOL Foundation: Karl Nell - A Key Figure in UAP Disclosure
“The Disclosure Act was 'watered down and gutted' by opponents of disclosure.”AllegedSOL Foundation: Karl Nell - A Key Figure in UAP Disclosure
“Wang led reverse engineering of recovered craft and worked closely with Viktor Schauberger.”AllegedThe 1953 Kingman, Arizona UFO Crash
Lore repeated by Gerb.
“AFR 200-2, issued three months after the crash, and the 1954 Atomic Energy Act explain the secrecy, and the 2023 NDAA's "transclassified" language points the same way.”AllegedThe 1953 Kingman, Arizona UFO Crash
The documents are on the record; the link is Gerb's.
“Robert Jacobs testified under oath to AARO and Kirkpatrick on 10 February 2023.”Witness testimonyThe Modern Day UFO Disinformation Agent - Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's Lies
Date per Gerb; to verify.
“Kirkpatrick says 'alien' and 'extraterrestrial' rather than the NDAA's 'non-human intelligence', which lets him sidestep the statutory wording.”AllegedThe Modern Day UFO Disinformation Agent - Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's Lies
Gerb's reading of his language.
“The op-ed traces the reverse-engineering story to a 2008 circle around AAWSAP and AATIP: Elizondo, Harry Reid, Puthoff, Davis and Mellon.”On the recordThe Modern Day UFO Disinformation Agent - Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's Lies
Gerb's summary of the op-ed.
“AARO reports to the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security, Ronald Moultrie; by April 2023 it had analysed about 650 cases with no published reports, and had a one-page website until late 2023.”On the recordThe Modern Day UFO Disinformation Agent - Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's Lies
Gerb's figures.
“He was moved out of AARO into jobs set up through DOE.”AllegedThe Modern Day UFO Disinformation Agent - Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's Lies
Gerb's suggestion.
“SancorP specialises in stopping leaks and preventing whistleblowers.”Does not holdThe Modern Day UFO Disinformation Agent - Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's Lies
The contract scope as written does not say so; this is Gerb's characterisation.
“The Minot object's "molten lava" skin is like the mother-of-pearl skin of Weygandt's Peru craft.”AllegedThe Physics of UFOs - Dr. Kevin Knuth
Gerb's comparison.
“Minot, like Malmstrom, was a nuclear base, another link between UFOs and nuclear weapons.”AllegedThe Physics of UFOs - Dr. Kevin Knuth
“Around 1953 an Army electrical engineer was woken at night, bussed for hours to an airstrip, flown in a windowless plane to a desert building and shown 'strange objects' in an industrial lab with orders to work out how they worked: 'they're not ours'. Years later he said they were Russian; his listener did not believe it.”AllegedLive with Joey
A vetted PhD professor in Colorado told Gerb about one of his own former professors. Gerb compares it with Stansel's Kingman account.
“An intelligence-community contact who met Herrera vouched that Jason Sands took part in the UAP Task Force forum, a top-secret collaborative platform open to many IC staff, which explains why Sands said 'UAP Task Force'.”AllegedLive with Joey
“Greer's witness TB would lose his whole pension if named, which is why he will not come forward.”AllegedLive with Joey
“Coyame 1974 may be the case behind the Sentinels of the Ether insider's references.”AllegedLive with Joey
Gerb's hypothesis.
“A Disclosure Project witness from Boeing and Lockheed Skunk Works appears unredacted in Greer's witness list; Gerb is trying to reach him and will not publish the name.”Witness testimonyLive with Joey
Gerb also criticises Greer for posting archive material that clients sent under privilege.
“Gerb came across Herrera's insider 'completely independently in my own research on another project'; the insider is not anyone Gerb has covered.”Witness testimony7/20/24 Discussing Cases and Q&A
Supports the corroboration Joey reported in June 2024.
“Gerb has a pending call with someone who 'may have some interesting information on Indonesia back in 2009'.”Alleged7/20/24 Discussing Cases and Q&A
“The symbols in the alleged Kalahari documents parallel the symbol from Lonnie Zamora's Socorro sighting.”Alleged7/20/24 Discussing Cases and Q&A
Gerb's comparison.
“Greer's DPI archive has two witnesses on a facility at Pine Gap; a contact familiar with FAA and transponder data told Gerb that the rumoured Korean site may not be 'it'.”Alleged7/20/24 Discussing Cases and Q&A
“A Jiu-Jitsu acquaintance saw a huge triangle fly over him and his father while biking in New York in the early 1990s.”Alleged7/20/24 Discussing Cases and Q&A
Firsthand to Gerb from a person he does not name.
“Fewer than about 500 people have ever served on crash-retrieval teams.”Alleged7/20/24 Discussing Cases and Q&A
Gerb's estimate.
“Greer's 2001 Disclosure briefing document is 'brilliant', but Greer over-dramatised Herrera's gunpoint account.”Alleged7/20/24 Discussing Cases and Q&A
“Many elements within the programs will stop at nothing to prevent disclosure, given how many firsthand witnesses say the same thing.”Alleged7/20/24 Discussing Cases and Q&A
Answer to a viewer's question on good-versus-bad-guys disinformation.
“Black-program money can be studied contract by contract: employees say some large contracts show no movement within them, and Catherine Austin Fitts has described billions missing in failed Pentagon audits.”Alleged7/20/24 Discussing Cases and Q&A
Gerb's method, as he describes it.
“A person told Gerb off the record that he knew of the memo years before it came out.”Alleged9/1/24 Discussing WD Memo, 2004 JSOC Case and Q&A
“Mitchell's NDA was controlled by Robert Bigelow.”Alleged9/1/24 Discussing WD Memo, 2004 JSOC Case and Q&A
Gerb's reading.
“Stewart's source and the Sentinels chapters describe the same 2004 event, set where Coyame 1974 happened, 30 years apart.”Alleged9/1/24 Discussing WD Memo, 2004 JSOC Case and Q&A
“Grant Cameron's released files contain MJ-12 documents dated to the 1980s, new to Gerb, that mention an EBE.”Alleged9/1/24 Discussing WD Memo, 2004 JSOC Case and Q&A
To examine.
“A 'very credible' new contact told Gerb to take particular note of what Corso says happened to the Roswell technology.”Alleged9/1/24 Discussing WD Memo, 2004 JSOC Case and Q&A
“Greer did not say the name 'Helendale' in the talk, and the Helendale images have been removed from the DPI archive.”Witness testimony9/8/24 Discussing Steven Greer London Live Event
Gerb checked the archive.
“Greer published the coordinates of the Dugway entrance that witness MS described, just north-west of German Village, where Gerb had kept his own description vague.”Witness testimony9/8/24 Discussing Steven Greer London Live Event
“The two images Greer showed as photos from his own black-site visits are a Google Earth image and a copy of Gerb's own map image.”Does not hold9/8/24 Discussing Steven Greer London Live Event
Proven false for the images; it counts against the images only, not against Greer's witnesses.
“One of Greer's two 'CE-5' photos with visible forms is a Chilean sighting posted on Twitter, with no link to Greer that Gerb's Discord member could find.”Does not hold9/8/24 Discussing Steven Greer London Live Event
Counts against the image, not against the witnesses.
“An elderly doctor named in the archive (a UAP rose from the sea and landed near a Navy ship; he was in touch with an ex-SEAL who tracked UAP leaving an underwater location) told Gerb he was 'not interested' and did not deny it.”Alleged9/8/24 Discussing Steven Greer London Live Event
“The lobbying on S.4443 was aimed at the UAP Disclosure Act.”Alleged10K Live! UAPDA, Crash Retrieval Research, Q&A and More
The lobbying is on record; its aim is Gerb's hypothesis.
“NURO is 'a high-value FOIA target': it is to the ocean what the NRO is to fast walkers.”Alleged10K Live! UAPDA, Crash Retrieval Research, Q&A and More
A chat researcher's line that Gerb endorses.
“Brad Sorensen named the 'tall Italian man with white hair' who took him into the 1988 Norton display; Gerb has the name in his notes.”Witness testimony10K Live! UAPDA, Crash Retrieval Research, Q&A and More
Gerb names him as Frank Carlucci on 29 September 2024.
“If a Lockheed recovery team killed JSOC members, Garry Nolan's proposed private retrieval team would be 'a death sentence'; corroboration may lie in the 1990-2010 reorganisations, such as the 1994 SAP consolidation.”Alleged10K Live! UAPDA, Crash Retrieval Research, Q&A and More
A chat point Gerb endorses.
“The helicopter photo is still the main argument against Herrera; Gerb, like many, thinks the man pictured is someone else, and the camouflage only partly matches.”Alleged10K Live! UAPDA, Crash Retrieval Research, Q&A and More
The name Gerb and others put forward is kept out of the records.
“Hudson Valley-type triangles were early ARVs, judging by their manufactured-looking undersides.”Alleged10K Live! UAPDA, Crash Retrieval Research, Q&A and More
“Grusch's statement of firsthand knowledge was edited out of his NewsNation interview with Ross Vargas.”Alleged10K Live! UAPDA, Crash Retrieval Research, Q&A and More
As Gerb reports.
“The senior adviser who got Brad Sorensen into the cordoned-off ARV display at Norton AFB in November 1988, where a two- or three-star general admitted them, was Frank Carlucci.”Witness testimony9/29/24 Bush/Cheney Historical Connections to UFO Legacy Crash Retrieval Programs Ft. VolarRecords
Gerb's identification from Sorensen's material and his own sources. Carlucci was Secretary of Defense at the time and later chaired the Carlyle Group.
“Ronald Moultrie sits on the board of Braver Angels, funded by Carlyle co-founder David Rubenstein, and is tied to iCapital, a Carlyle-backed firm.”On the record9/29/24 Bush/Cheney Historical Connections to UFO Legacy Crash Retrieval Programs Ft. VolarRecords
The ties are documented as Gerb reads them; any UAP link is his hypothesis.
“NEST, housed with EG&G, is the DOE's retrieval team.”Alleged9/29/24 Bush/Cheney Historical Connections to UFO Legacy Crash Retrieval Programs Ft. VolarRecords
Compare the Weygandt story.
“In the 1980s the nuclear-weapons complex catalogued UAP reports over nuclear sites.”Alleged9/29/24 Bush/Cheney Historical Connections to UFO Legacy Crash Retrieval Programs Ft. VolarRecords
Gerb says 'the NNSA', which was formed only in 2000; he may mean its DOE predecessors. Source not given.
“SAIC, founded in 1969, the year Blue Book closed, is where Bissell's 'other world technologies' and the off-world technologies division sit.”Alleged9/29/24 Bush/Cheney Historical Connections to UFO Legacy Crash Retrieval Programs Ft. VolarRecords
“Brad Sorensen told Gerb that if he keeps investigating the Fluxliners he will 'go the same way as Mark McCandlish'; Gerb has screenshots.”Witness testimonyLivestream and Q&A with Michael Herrera 10/6/24
Screenshots not shown on the stream.
“Jeremy Corbell gave the 12-page Immaculate Constellation report to Rep. Mace before the hearing; it was entered into the record as Shellenberger's, with 11 pages; the 12th page is Corbell's cover letter, later posted by Jesse Michels.”Witness testimonyPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
Gerb was in the room on a media pass; Corbell was 'furious'.
“At the UAP Disclosure Fund event Senator Rounds opened, gave Elizondo a framed copy of the UAPDA and strongly favoured reintroducing it.”Witness testimonyPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
Speeches by Burlison and Burchett; board Nolan, Nell and Elizondo; advisers Gallaudet, Mellon and McConnell.
“A staffer told Gerb the committee had heard of Trotti (Skunk Works) and his story.”AllegedPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
“McCandlish sent Leslie Kean a copy of Sorensen's Fluxliner drawing between 2000 and 2003; she did not recall it, and was 'gobsmacked' by Sorensen's death threats.”Witness testimonyPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
Kean was then working with Greer and stopped contact around 2004.
“Brad Sorensen has threatened Gerb again, in all caps, and Gerb has found others he threatened; Gerb says he may need to be subpoenaed as a hostile witness.”Witness testimonyPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
“The term 'ARV' was first published by Bill Hamilton in 1991, as 'alien replicated vehicle', from Brad Sorensen and Bill Scott, so it predates Greer; 'ARV' was the name Sorensen was told at Norton.”On the recordPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
Hamilton's 1991 publication, as Gerb cites it.
“In two fiscal years Ed saw $34B and then $40B of 'non-transfer-authority' funds sent back-channel to Air Force legacy programs, while on the Pentagon R&D panel chain overseeing about $200B a year of Air Force funds.”AllegedPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
Ed served in Air Force reverse-engineering programs, then as an SME to F-35 contractors. Gerb's first choice to subpoena.
“Some sites run on cash and analog computers to cut the audit trail.”AllegedPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
“Section 5 of the IC report cites a 1978 NSA serial on Soviet parapsychology and UAP biological effects that also appears in Oke Shannon's late-1980s Los Alamos speaker notes on an undersea USO base.”AllegedPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
A cross-match as reported; both texts to be compared.
“Another Navy-connected person in California seems to have handled the same off-world technology a couple of decades before the Crane witness.”AllegedPost UAP Hearing Live Stream: Time in DC, Immaculate Constellation, & More
“Firsthand witnesses withdrew from the 2023 and 2024 hearings for fear of reprisals, and the same is happening for 2025.”AllegedSept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
“Some former members of Congress (not Mike Turner) were 'on legacy payroll'; Gerb has passed the names to people who can investigate.”AllegedSept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
“Jim Ryder was a member of the program, not a gatekeeper.”AllegedSept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
“Oak Ridge stores recovered craft.”AllegedSept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
“Greer's congressional submission listed Herrera and Anderson apparently without their consent; Anderson's only intake was a photo with Greer and one email about the Crane division, and another listed witness said 'I've never spoken to that man'.”Witness testimonySept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
Gerb and Kermit asked the witnesses themselves.
“S4 exists; people who say they have been at the site told Gerb so.”AllegedSept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
“Davis's line that there were few ARV breakthroughs is deliberate program protection.”AllegedSept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
Gerb weighed four readings (a program-protection briefing by Ryder, a narrow read-in, scientist's pride, deliberate protection) and now favours the last.
“A science installation under Oak Ridge National Laboratory holds two recovered saucer-type craft, which the source saw firsthand up close; small programs there study the craft's 'skin', not the shell or metal.”AllegedDiscussing Lockheed Martin Project + "Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy" Ft. Guests Rob Jones & Kermit
Gerb: some of the source's other information checked out. In June 2026 he withdrew a second Oak Ridge source as untrue.
“The DOE Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence is the program manager for the Oak Ridge work; MITRE and Battelle are probably involved.”AllegedDiscussing Lockheed Martin Project + "Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy" Ft. Guests Rob Jones & Kermit
The source gave the OICI role as fact and MITRE and Battelle as a guess.
“Davis's '1989 directive to take materials back from contractors' more likely moved hardware to FFRDCs (MITRE, Aerospace, Oak Ridge, Sandia, Los Alamos), which hold the keys and parcel out need-to-know work to corporate special-programs directors.”AllegedDiscussing Lockheed Martin Project + "Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy" Ft. Guests Rob Jones & Kermit
“Jim Shell's control infrastructure is Immaculate Constellation's filter.”AllegedDiscussing Lockheed Martin Project + "Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy" Ft. Guests Rob Jones & Kermit
Gerb and Kermit; Kirkpatrick was at SPACECOM in 2018.
“AARO's historical report vol. 1 says Herrera spoke of US special forces and an extraterrestrial craft; Herrera's memorandum for record says neither.”On the recordDiscussing Lockheed Martin Project + "Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy" Ft. Guests Rob Jones & Kermit
“A football-field-sized black triangle hovered over a national lab that is usually not mentioned.”AllegedDiscussing Lockheed Martin Project + "Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy" Ft. Guests Rob Jones & Kermit
Details pending.
“He holds a photo of a 3-4 ft grey 'alien' mannequin, like the Santilli figure, behind glass in the cafeteria line at Dugway's West Desert Test Center.”Witness testimonyDiscussing Lockheed Martin Project + "Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy" Ft. Guests Rob Jones & Kermit
Meaning unknown.
“Gerb came across the same 1989 Russian event independently, before the film.”AllegedDavid Grusch Fox Interview, Age of Disclosure, Sandia, Current Research, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Elizondo's chart is misdirection: it leaves out the Navy, NRO, NURO, the FFRDCs and MITRE. The field arm is JSOC elements, 160th SOAR CH-47s (Company A, 1st Battalion) and the DOE Office of Secure Transportation.”AllegedDavid Grusch Fox Interview, Age of Disclosure, Sandia, Current Research, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“A deputy at AARO told podcasters off the record that AARO had been in contact with the Vatican.”AllegedDavid Grusch Fox Interview, Age of Disclosure, Sandia, Current Research, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Echo of Elizondo's claim in the film that the Vatican has proof of non-human intelligence.
“Elizondo and Grusch were targeted, as Elizondo says; Gerb's sources confirm the targeting, not the 'committee of 27' number.”AllegedDavid Grusch Fox Interview, Age of Disclosure, Sandia, Current Research, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“The Jake Barber who took Herrera to the range is not the public Jake Barber.”AllegedDavid Grusch Fox Interview, Age of Disclosure, Sandia, Current Research, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“He has recorded a four-hour interview with a content creator who has new Magenta material.”Witness testimonyDavid Grusch Fox Interview, Age of Disclosure, Sandia, Current Research, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Pending release.
“Directors at Dugway have Battelle backgrounds.”Witness testimonyDavid Grusch Fox Interview, Age of Disclosure, Sandia, Current Research, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Career records; their role is Gerb's reading.
“Air Force SAPs run at $60B or more a year, and 30-40% is siphoned off before SAF/FM oversight sees it.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Gerb tracked Ed for 18 months and read his performance reports first.
“Vehicles are driven from Air Force Plant 42 to Edwards into a sealed electromagnetic test chamber and hangar; Plant 42 is government-owned and contractor-operated, with only Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman there, so a contractor can truly say it does not possess an item.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Some recovered non-human craft can be interfaced with and flown in a limited way; a test director running tests on a recovered disc may not look inside it; the fleet is a roughly equal mix of manned and unmanned craft.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“SAF/AA and its director have acted as a cover office for legacy programs since the early 1980s, with SAF/AAZ, SAF/AQL, AQX and AQR; the Rapid Capabilities Office packages the funding.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Names to note: John T. Manclark (AF/TE) and Lee M. Russ (SAP security); roles are Gerb's reading.
“No one Gerb believes was in or near the programs has heard of a 2027 threat; Rob's contacts say 'I know of no such threat'.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Elizondo has said the rumour came from his Space Force time; Gerb and Rob read it as an influence operation, like BAASS's 2009 'Project Forum'.
“James Clapper may be the closest thing to a central legacy figure since Cheney left in 2009.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Around 2011 one institution decided not to brief new legacy incumbents on pre-2011 history; that knowledge dies with men like Donald Kerr, Edward Aldridge and Bobby Ray Inman.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“NSWC Crane houses a SAPF with recovered non-human technology; Crane and Dahlgren hold contracts with Woods Hole.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
The contracts are on record.
“A would-be witness was threatened with planted child-abuse material and stopped; others report cut brake lines and break-ins.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“4K aerial FLIR video shows a JSOC team mowed down by contractors.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“An enormous underwater craft near Bermuda releases or builds Tic Tac-shaped craft.”AllegedAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“AARO under Moultrie took SANCORP information and perception management contracts at its founding, and testimony is classified on receipt inside DoD's own classification chain.”On the recordAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Harry Drew's lost documentary says there were three Kingman crashes; Army ration cans with 1952-53 solder dots were found at the site.”Witness testimonyAir Force Hidden Wing, Admin & the UFO Files, "It's Probably Nothing" tour, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Gerb holds the footage.
“After the 1982-83 reforms and Yellow Fruit, legacy programs broke into cover offices; in 1994 control left the executive branch for a mixed government-industry group of just over two dozen, gated by SAPOC and its Senior Review Group, with FFRDCs such as MITRE and Lincoln Lab inside.”AllegedUFO File Drop 1, Manhattan Project 2.0, Greer NPC, Highlighting Gatekeepers & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“McCasland was a senior official in Air Force test and evaluation for the legacy programs, AFRL commander and chair of the SAP Oversight Committee; the administration treats his disappearance as a national security matter.”AllegedUFO File Drop 1, Manhattan Project 2.0, Greer NPC, Highlighting Gatekeepers & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Three people unconnected to Lazar told Gerb they had been at S4: a door in the desert near Papoose Lake and hangars in the hillside.”AllegedUFO File Drop 1, Manhattan Project 2.0, Greer NPC, Highlighting Gatekeepers & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Rob: Annie Jacobsen's EG&G 'S-4' badge was a photography employee class. Gerb has seen purported S4 material, not yet vetted.
“The Army Corps of Engineers studied deep basing to nearly 10,000 ft and a cavern under China Lake; county well and borehole records are a way to find sites staged to look derelict.”On the recordUFO File Drop 1, Manhattan Project 2.0, Greer NPC, Highlighting Gatekeepers & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Elizondo took part in the legacy programs.”AllegedThe State of Disclosure, Hanging with Ross Coulthart, Current Events & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Coulthart put it to Elizondo; the stream does not report his answer to Gerb's own question.
“Elizondo has two roles: front man for the ATIP partial-disclosure effort, and program protection for NSC legacy elements, as his 2013-17 NPMS post would allow.”AllegedThe State of Disclosure, Hanging with Ross Coulthart, Current Events & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Davis's primary sources are a four-star general who forced his way into a read-on and a longtime TRW vice president.”AllegedThe State of Disclosure, Hanging with Ross Coulthart, Current Events & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“After 2005, when GWOT money was diverted from the legacy program, Northrop self-funded its own program through IR&D; for over 20 years it has collected, exploited and stored its own craft without answering to its original CIA handler, with Terry Phillips tied to it.”AllegedThe State of Disclosure, Hanging with Ross Coulthart, Current Events & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“An early-1990s deep-submergence crew pulled up a triangle between F-14 size and 50 ft, with glyph-like writing, no rivets and no cockpit.”AllegedThe State of Disclosure, Hanging with Ross Coulthart, Current Events & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Gerb judges it non-human.
“Gerb's Oak Ridge correction: one of his two sources was 'bunk and untrue and lying' after further vetting, but he is still confident Oak Ridge houses craft materials.”Witness testimonyThe State of Disclosure, Hanging with Ross Coulthart, Current Events & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“McCasland was due to travel to Washington to formally resign from Riverside Research before he vanished.”AllegedThe State of Disclosure, Hanging with Ross Coulthart, Current Events & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“The craft Lacatski entered was egg-shaped, the commonest non-human shape in Grusch's list (saucer, crescent, egg).”AllegedThe State of Disclosure, Hanging with Ross Coulthart, Current Events & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Lacatski's entry into a craft is on record; the shape is Gerb's reading.
“MITRE had not answered Burlison's nine-page interrogatory, and MIT Lincoln Lab had not delivered Ruppelt's 1952 film, by the deadline.”On the recordCurrent Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“MITRE runs two legacy programs, both with the US Navy; one dates to its founding in 1958.”AllegedCurrent Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Vannevar Bush is the godfather of both the FFRDCs and the legacy program: OSRD led to the MIT Rad Lab, Lincoln Lab (1951) and MITRE (1958), whose founders came largely from naval special projects.”AllegedCurrent Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
The lineage is on record; the legacy link is Gerb's.
“Content-only SAPs hold critical program information with no budget, so all reporting is waived, even to the Gang of Eight; they suit continuity-of-government programs, and explain the Wilson-Davis notes' line that USD(A&T)'s legacy records had no budget information.”AllegedCurrent Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Immaculate Constellation was built in late 2017 as a Clapper product, in parallel with Elizondo's efforts, and Elizondo may have passed its material to DeLonge before his October 2017 Rogan appearance.”AllegedCurrent Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Exploited or derivative airframes, including small orbs and Tic Tac-type vehicles, go from Plant 42 to Edwards by lowboy trailer into specialised EM hangars.”AllegedCurrent Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Since 1994 a 'watch committee' of about 27 in a flat hierarchy runs the program, with the NSC as figurehead; DoD sponsors (RCO, DS&T, A&S) and IC sponsors (CIA, NSA, NURO, NRO) sit under it, FFRDCs hold material and all-source records, and Lockheed and Northrop have run breakaway programs since the GWOT.”AllegedCurrent Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Kermit's slide of Gerb's model.
“A 'water station' at Dugway is an elevator; witness MS saw a craft with an opening and an inverted cone inside.”AllegedCurrent Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“The IRS was used to pressure McCandlish and Weygandt in the early 2000s.”Witness testimonyCurrent Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“The Kecksburg 'acorn' was bricked into a building near the old firehouse at Wright-Patterson, where bodies are stored underground.”AllegedUFO Crash Retrievals, Disclosure & Extended QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“The Coyame material went to Martin Marietta's Georgia facility, then Wright-Patterson; a Mexican politician says he has photos.”AllegedUFO Crash Retrievals, Disclosure & Extended QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“Lockheed and Northrop ran breakaway programs from 2004-05, behind the blue-on-blue strikes; MITRE has a 'lollipop' special office.”AllegedUFO Crash Retrievals, Disclosure & Extended QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“MITRE has not answered Burlison's interrogatory, not even 'no records found'; the CIA referred Grusch and Burlison back to AARO; the Aerospace Corporation sent two people who 'discussed nonsense'.”Witness testimonyUFO Crash Retrievals, Disclosure & Extended QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“MITRE monitors a very large 'tic-tac factory' under the waters of the Bahamas, picked up in about 1969-70 by NURO and Ivy Bells-type monitoring of Soviet submarines around Cuba.”AllegedUFO Crash Retrievals, Disclosure & Extended QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Gerb is 'extremely confident'; his strongest form of the claim.
“The UFO too big to move is in South Korea.”AllegedUFO Crash Retrievals, Disclosure & Extended QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Coulthart has refused to tell Rob where it is.
“A limited hangout once passed him verified material alongside planted documents.”Witness testimonyUFO Crash Retrievals, Disclosure & Extended QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Gerb has about a dozen sources.
“The video was filmed by a site-securing direct-action team, not perimeter security.”AllegedDavid Grusch on JRE, Herrington Denial, RFK Shoot Down Briefing & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“A source was shown 1950s-60s retrieval films on being read in.”AllegedDavid Grusch on JRE, Herrington Denial, RFK Shoot Down Briefing & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“The War Department picked MITRE to lead Project Meridian, with Newt Gingrich, Palmer Luckey and Elon Musk.”Witness testimonyDavid Grusch on JRE, Herrington Denial, RFK Shoot Down Briefing & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Check the memo.
“MITRE's legacy work sits in a hidden Special Security Office at its headquarters, not in its FFRDCs, with program security officers at Pax River, McLean and East Coast offices; mature MITRE legacy technology has been deployed in combat theatres.”AllegedDavid Grusch on JRE, Herrington Denial, RFK Shoot Down Briefing & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“A coordinated effort (Eric Davis, Jay Stratton's Out of the Shadows, The Age of Disclosure) pins the legacy program on contractors and Ryder's materials program, leaving out FFRDCs, national labs, ONI, NGA, the Army and the NSC.”AllegedDavid Grusch on JRE, Herrington Denial, RFK Shoot Down Briefing & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
“BAASS's 2009 report planned an underground vault to receive recovered hardware and biological samples from the corporate world or private individuals.”On the recordLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
BAASS ten-month report, 30 July 2009, under DIA contract HHM402-08-C-0072.
“GAO found 1,460 discrepancies in Lockheed Burbank's special-access document control in 1986, and special-access programmes had been excluded from routine inspection since 1965.”On the recordLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
GAO August 1986 report and July 1986 letter.
“Tonopah Test Range was set up by Sandia for the AEC in 1957, appears as 'Area 52' on AEC and DOE maps, and has a mapped 'Site 4'.”On the recordLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
AEC and DOE maps and range history.
“Lockheed Martin's Sandia Corporation ran Sandia National Laboratories from 1993 to 2017.”On the recordLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Sandia operating history.
“Mary Sturtevant moved from CIA, Senate intelligence committee and NRO posts to become a Lockheed Martin vice president from 2006.”On the recordLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Public bios, including the NRO's 'Leaders of the NRO'.
“Donald Kerr ran Los Alamos, EG&G, CIA science and technology and the NRO, and sat on the SAIC and MITRE boards.”On the recordLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Public CV.
“Ryder spoke publicly on fairies, devas and unidentified aerial phenomena, and served on a review team with Davis and Puthoff.”On the recordLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Lucis Trust talks of 2015 to 2018.
“Two recovered non-human saucers are kept in an underground installation below Oak Ridge.”AllegedLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's unnamed sources; Gerb says he cannot back it up.
“Tonopah Test Range stores 'the interesting stuff' and its Site 4 is involved in UFO operations.”AllegedLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's private sources.
“Lockheed's divestment material was the 1953 Kingman craft.”AllegedLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Some of Gerb's sources; Gerb holds it with moderate to high conviction.
“Ed, an Edwards electronic-warfare director, says Lockheed and Boeing were the two key contractors on a reproduction-vehicle programme between Edwards, Area 51 and S4.”Witness testimonyLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Ed's account as Gerb relays it.
“Tonopah Test Range hosts crash-retrieval and material-exploitation work.”AllegedLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Gerb says he publicly accuses Tonopah; no record yet.
“Eric Davis is protecting the programme when he says no reproduction vehicles exist.”AllegedLockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“The 1986 audit is the 'audit' that nearly outed the program in the Wilson-Davis notes.”AllegedUFOs in the Private Sector - Lockheed Martin
“Lockheed is as much a player in reverse engineering as Battelle, but harder to trace.”AllegedUFOs in the Private Sector - Lockheed Martin
Gerb ranks witnesses Haisch, then Bushman, then Phillips.
“Points 8 and 9 of the protocol, excluding other scientists and hiding the budget, match AFR 200-2 and the MJ-12 papers.”AllegedThe 1933 Magenta, Italy UFO Crash
Gerb's comparison.
“Period papers reported lightning and hail at Magenta in June 1933, which is the cover story in action.”AllegedThe 1933 Magenta, Italy UFO Crash
The reports are real; the reading is Gerb's.
“The bodies claim from William Broy's grandson is left out because the documents show no bodies.”On the recordThe 1933 Magenta, Italy UFO Crash
Gerb's restraint.
“Truman, Forrestal and Bush met on 24 September 1947, as the Eisenhower Briefing Document says.”On the recordThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Truman appointment logs; the briefing document itself is disputed.
“A security officer who ran legacy security for the Navy and a research centre on undersea-object work gave the 'onion briefing' to senior officials hundreds of times and learned there were other legacy programmes.”AllegedThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Gerb's unnamed source.
“West Coast corporate parks once held non-human bodies, East Coast science parks host material work, and a shopping-mall door leads to an underground facility.”AllegedThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“1994 was the last year the legacy programmes had any central leadership.”AllegedThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Gerb says this comes from a source independent of Eric Davis.
“Air Force major generals in the Hidden Wing had their retirements staged to mask their careers in the late 2000s.”AllegedThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“Most of Davis's secondhand knowledge comes from a retired four-star who forced his way in to touch a craft and from a senior TRW vice president involved in retrievals for decades.”AllegedThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Gerb's characterisation from unnamed sources.
“The early programmes copied the Manhattan Project's compartments, cover, physical security, nuclear classification and political shield.”AllegedThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“NEST was the MOPP-suited team at Weygandt's 1997 Peru crash, and Special Response Teams supported the men at Castle's 1997 triangle.”AllegedThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Gerb states near certainty for NEST and medium to high confidence for Castle's case.
“MJ-12 existed at least under Eisenhower, hidden inside the 5412 Committee.”AllegedThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“UFO sub-programmes sat under the Yellow Fruit umbrella, and its 1983 audit is the 'near outing' Wilson describes.”AllegedThe Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Just before landing, three new radar signals appeared, each estimated at about 200 m across.”AllegedThe First Commercial Flight Grounded Due to UFOs
As Gerb tells it. The official file, as quoted by El Debate, says there was no radar contact. Unresolved.
“Jamming of fighter systems near the object matches Tehran 1976 and the Nimitz encounters of 2004.”AllegedThe First Commercial Flight Grounded Due to UFOs
Gerb's comparison.
“The base had TPS-43 and relocatable over-the-horizon radar and CIA Citation spotter aircraft, so it had several ways to detect a target.”AllegedThe Marines Who Got too Close to UFOs
Gerb's summary of the operation's assets.
“A Peruvian A-37 shot down a target on 25 March 1997, which crashed in a large fireball.”AllegedThe Marines Who Got too Close to UFOs
Image shown by Gerb; not identified here.
“The team that took the craft was a DOE Special Response Team working within NEST.”AllegedThe Marines Who Got too Close to UFOs
Gerb's reading, already in 2024.
“NEST's technical information is protected like a special access program, and its intelligence comes from the NRO and CIA with DOE contractors in support.”AllegedThe Marines Who Got too Close to UFOs
Gerb's summary; not sourced in the video.
“If anything is human-made it is the TR-3B-type triangle; Herrera's huge octagonal craft is less likely to be a human reproduction vehicle.”AllegedThe Marines Who Got too Close to UFOs
Gerb's view in January 2024; he changes it in his later Herrera interviews.
“Sorensen's client at the show was probably Frank Carlucci.”AllegedAlien Reproduction Vehicle - the Testimony of Mark McCandlish
“Sorensen wrote to Gerb that 'Mark McCandlish was a stupid dramatic selfish fool who died because he could not keep his mouth shut, learn from this' and 'I protected him until I could not'; Gerb was also told to 'say goodbye to everybody I love'.”Witness testimonyAlien Reproduction Vehicle - the Testimony of Mark McCandlish
Gerb reads this as warning amateurs off, not as proof of a crime.
“Michael Shellenberger's October 2024 article on Immaculate Constellation uses the term 'ARV', tying the Norton account to that list.”Witness testimonyAlien Reproduction Vehicle - the Testimony of Mark McCandlish
“The clip was filmed on 6 Sep 2015 near El Escorial, towards Las Navas del Marqués, and emailed the next day to the YouTube channel UFO OVNI by someone signing as 'Modesto'.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - METAPOD
Pseudonymous source; exact location withheld.
“The sender's mix-up over who is 'Modesto' suggests pseudonyms were used.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - METAPOD
“The pod shows three of the five observables: sudden acceleration in its altitude drop, no visible propulsion and low observability.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - METAPOD
“Its rotation reverses from counterclockwise to clockwise while it holds station in wind.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - METAPOD
“The same crescent pod appears in the 1998 Mayu footage (Peru), the 2006 'Monterrey witch' (Mexico), Vancouver 2021 and the 2022 Blue Angels frames.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - METAPOD
Gerb's comparison.
“The Texas 2023 hang-glider clip is the likeliest of these to be prosaic, perhaps a balloon.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - METAPOD
“The footage passes 'the eye test' and looks like a one-occupant observation craft.”AllegedIncredible UFO Footage - METAPOD
“The original upload and a 2017 re-upload have been taken down.”On the recordIncredible UFO Footage - METAPOD
“MITRE was founded in 1958 from MIT Lincoln Lab to build SAGE, is almost wholly federally funded, and runs six research centres including the DoD's NSEC.”On the recordThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
MITRE's own histories and FFRDC listings.
“Federally funded research centres are not subject to FOIA in the way agencies are.”On the recordThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
FFRDC status; Gerb uses this to explain why custody would sit there.
“Rep. Burlison, working with Grusch, sent MITRE an interrogatory and preservation demand covering contracts, SAPs, undersea-object data, materials and facilities.”On the recordThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Burlison's letter; date still to pin down.
“Donald Kerr, Dawn Meyerriecks, Susan Gordon and Paul Kaminski all served on MITRE's board after senior intelligence or defence posts.”On the recordThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Public CVs.
“MITRE has run a waived reverse-engineering programme for the Navy since 1958 to exploit 'war-altering' capabilities from Roswell and other late-1940s crashes.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's unnamed MITRE engineers and programme managers, vetted about two years; knowledge to about 2019.
“The custody chain ran from Wright-Patterson's ARDC to the Navy's ONI and NAVAIR and then to MITRE, with Pax River as the administrative hub.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Same unnamed sources.
“A second programme has for decades tracked an undersea object the size of ten city blocks near the Bahamas that releases and collects Tic Tac, cylinder and disc craft.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Same unnamed sources; they call it harmless.
“MITRE runs a hidden security office with hundreds of numbered sites, mostly under foreign-technology cover, with security officers working under non-official cover.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Same unnamed sources; Gerb says he has seen cover badges.
“From 2011 new staff were no longer briefed on the programme's history, and the CIA was added as a partner; by 2017 MITRE had lost control of it.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Same unnamed sources.
“A former SAP security specialist told Gerb that 'the answer lies in Crystal City'.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Unnamed source.
“MITRE and the Aerospace Corporation were founded about ten years after Roswell partly to exploit the recovered technology, matching the Corso and Trudeau timeline.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“A group of 27 formed in 1994 now loosely oversees the programmes, after the NSC's covert-action committees and Cheney's firm control, and Clapper took over from 2010.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Donald Kerr was a top legacy-programme leader and Paul Kaminski very senior.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Peter Highnam is a senior legacy figure.”AllegedThe MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“MJ-12 likely was, and possibly is, a real group; the papers thin out after the 1954 Atomic Energy Act, which fits the 'transclassified' language of the Schumer UAP Disclosure Act.”AllegedThe Majestic-12 Documents [With Ryan S. Wood]
Gerb's view moved from 'a mix of information and disinformation'.
“A crashed-satellite cover story was built for Nepal although no 1968 launch had failed.”AllegedMOON DUST - The Pentagon's Secret UFO Programs
Gerb's reading; debris can fall from successful launches too.
“The New Zealand 'pressure vessel' shape is like the Tic Tac Fravor saw.”AllegedMOON DUST - The Pentagon's Secret UFO Programs
Gerb's comparison.
“Two US Air Force officers, Col. Robert Simmons and Maj. Jesse Haaste, arrived afterwards.”AllegedMOON DUST - The Pentagon's Secret UFO Programs
Not sourced in the video.
“The denial and the 'destroyed' records follow from the 1994 SAP reorganisation described in the Wilson-Davis notes.”AllegedMOON DUST - The Pentagon's Secret UFO Programs
Gerb's reasoning.
“Moon Dust was at least once responsible for collecting UFOs, not only foreign space hardware.”AllegedMOON DUST - The Pentagon's Secret UFO Programs
Gerb's view.
“From 1969 to 2008 there was no official US UFO study, a hidden 'dark ages'.”AllegedMOON DUST - The Pentagon's Secret UFO Programs
Gerb's framing.
“NASIC descends from the 1917 Foreign Data Section through T-2, ATIC (Blue Book) and FTD.”On the recordNASIC: Air Force UFO Crash Retrieval & Reverse Engineering
Official lineage.
“Sullivan was in NASIC's geospatial squadron and handled recovered craft.”AllegedNASIC: Air Force UFO Crash Retrieval & Reverse Engineering
Gerb's sources and reasoning.
“NASIC's geospatial squadron and the embedded NGA team feed Immaculate Constellation.”AllegedNASIC: Air Force UFO Crash Retrieval & Reverse Engineering
Gerb's reasoning.
“Recovered hardware passes from NASIC technical intelligence to Air Force test and evaluation for exploitation.”AllegedNASIC: Air Force UFO Crash Retrieval & Reverse Engineering
Gerb's model (AFI 99-series).
“Eric Walker was chairman of TRW.”AllegedUFO Legacy Programs - Northrop Grumman
Gerb's statement; the record shows Walker on TRW's board, so the title needs checking.
“The 2003 TRW overcharging settlement was the audit that nearly exposed the programs in the Wilson notes.”AllegedUFO Legacy Programs - Northrop Grumman
Weak: the Wilson notes place the near-exposure earlier and the TRW case concerned satellite cost accounting.
“Northrop stays in the shadows doing exploitation, ARV testing and Red Light management while Lockheed is the opportunist.”AllegedUFO Legacy Programs - Northrop Grumman
Gerb's ranking of contractors.
“Northrop paid $111.2M in 2003 to settle False Claims Act charges that included TRW IRAD mischarging from 1990 to 1997.”On the recordNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Settlement record; GAO also flagged TRW IRAD misclassification in 1989.
“DoD's own 2002 IRAD report shows spending well above what DTIC summarised, a gap of $600M to $800M a year.”On the recordNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
2002 DoD IRAD report.
“Stephanie O'Sullivan worked at TRW on sensitive projects before her CIA and PDDNI posts and later chaired the Aerospace Corporation board.”On the recordNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Public bios, including Battelle's.
“Terry Phillips led Air Force SAP security and AFOSI's special projects office, then became Northrop Grumman's vice president for security.”On the recordNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Public CV.
“Edward Doll ran the military effects group at the 1953 Upshot-Knothole tests and later became a senior TRW executive.”On the recordNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Contemporary articles and TRW records.
“Burlison's interrogatories went to the CIA, which referred them to AARO, and to the Aerospace Corporation, which briefed him and found nothing.”On the recordNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Burlison and Grusch interviews.
“Early in the 2000s the Army tried to adapt non-human electro-optic cloaking to its next combat vehicle, with Boeing leading and Lockheed and SAIC involved.”AllegedNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Gerb's unnamed insiders.
“About a dozen insiders name MITRE and primes Lockheed, Boeing and Raytheon as core, with Northrop as an outlier.”AllegedNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Gerb's unnamed insiders.
“Northrop Grumman is the main 'breakaway' contractor, running its own retrieval programmes after 9/11, while Lockheed stood down on Kona Blue.”AllegedNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Terry Phillips runs security for Northrop's UFO work.”AllegedNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Gerb's reasoning from Phillips's career; no record shows this.
“The Tejon radar range was staged to look abandoned while its underground facilities stay in use.”AllegedNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Gerb's reasoning from explorers' videos; the range officially closed in 2011.
“SDI money was back-channelled to the legacy programmes.”AllegedNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Clapper, O'Sullivan and Elizondo were part of an Obama-era effort to prepare a 'disclosure president', with AATIP as a cover programme.”AllegedNorthrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“NGA, NASIC, DIA and the NRO consulted the UAP Task Force on imagery assets in May 2021.”On the recordNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Black Vault FOIA release, 2024.
“A Kirtland-based 'Project Pounce' to photograph objects from an F-94C appears on the 1953 Robertson Panel agenda.”On the recordNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Robertson agenda and Ruppelt's 1956 book.
“The NRO's 1990s forward-funding scandal grew to $3.7bn and led to its leaders being fired in 1996.”On the recordNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Senate hearing 1994; press coverage.
“Many senior gatekeeper figures, including Kerr, Hineman, Inman and Sturtevant, moved between NRO, CIA science and technology and major contractors.”On the recordNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Public bios.
“A vetted witness served for years on a Nevada-based crash-retrieval rapid reaction team whose briefing binders were headed 'Joint Operations Task Force, NRO' and whose badges carried an NRO watermark.”AllegedNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Firsthand to Gerb, anonymous to the public; Gerb asks viewers to treat it as conjecture.
“That team once recovered a half-buried egg-shaped craft with a double hull from a Central or South American jungle.”AllegedNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Same unnamed witness.
“People named in the Wilson-Davis memo told Gerb that carry-over appropriations funded the legacy programmes.”AllegedNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Unnamed to the public.
“Control runs as a pyramid, from a rotating head through programme administrators such as CIA science and technology, NRO and DOE, down to research centres and prime contractors, across many siloed programmes.”AllegedNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“The NRO provides overhead surveillance of UFOs and of crash retrievals and was the first user of reproduction vehicles for reconnaissance.”AllegedNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Immaculate Constellation is a reactive 2017 programme born in the NSC, probably drawing on Sentient, not one of the old legacy programmes.”AllegedNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“The 1990s NRO funding scandal may have triggered the 1994 SAP oversight restructuring.”AllegedNational Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“'RA' is a Green Beret weapons sergeant (18B) with a DD-214, SERE level C and a TS/SCI clearance; Gerb checked his certifications.”Witness testimonyOff-World Technologies Division - UAP Technology Reverse Engineering
RA is person/randy-anderson.
“SAIC is the contractor behind the Off-World Technologies Division.”AllegedOff-World Technologies Division - UAP Technology Reverse Engineering
Built on the contract trail, the Stargate history and the Inman link.
“A month before the panel, Col. Donald Bower stopped Ruppelt from briefing the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence on compelling cases.”On the recordThe Origin of the UFO Stigma
Gerb's reading of the record; not checked in the db.
“Low had served with the CIA before teaching at Boulder.”AllegedThe Origin of the UFO Stigma
Per Gerb; to verify.
“Sign, Grudge, Blue Book, Robertson and Condon were a deliberate public cover layer while real research went on behind the scenes.”AllegedThe Origin of the UFO Stigma
Gerb's thesis; fits the 'cover layer' narrative.
“The unnamed contractor in the Wilson-Davis notes is SAIC, not Lockheed.”AllegedUFO Legacy Programs - Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)
Gerb's inference from the board overlap.
“The contractor behind the Crane Off-World Technologies Division is SAIC.”AllegedUFO Legacy Programs - Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)
Gerb's inference from SAIC's Crane contracts.
“Sandia grew from Los Alamos's Z Division, was run by Western Electric from 1949, by Martin Marietta and Lockheed Martin from 1993 to 2017, and by Honeywell's NTESS since.”On the recordSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Sandia's official history.
“DTRA descends directly from the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project of 1947.”On the recordSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
AFSWP, DASA, DNA, DSWA, DTRA lineage.
“The DOE's Office of Secure Transportation, NEST and Special Response Teams move and guard special nuclear material.”On the recordSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
DOE orders and agency histories.
“Area 6 at Yucca Flat hosts UAV and sensor work for the services, DARPA and DTRA, with an aerial operations facility run by Lockheed Martin since 2001.”On the recordSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
NNSA spokesman, 2016.
“Outgoing Roswell base messages from 1947 were destroyed without proper authority.”On the recordSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
GAO report for Rep. Schiff, 28 July 1995.
“There were 42 federally funded research centres receiving $15.4 billion in FY2020.”On the recordSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
NSF FFRDC data.
“DOE's Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence runs a programme under Oak Ridge Y-12 that studies saucer 'skin', possibly with Battelle and MITRE.”AllegedSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“The nuclear agency's NEST, Office of Secure Transportation and Special Response Teams handle crash-retrieval logistics inside the US under the Atomic Energy Act.”AllegedSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Federally funded research centres, not contractors, hold custody of the material, which is why the contractor-facing Kona Blue was killed.”AllegedSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Area 6 and Tonopah run DARPA programmes connected to the legacy effort.”AllegedSandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Sarbacher is the key to the Bush group, and Walker's evasive calls are confirmations.”AllegedDr. Robert Sarbacher & the US Government's Secret UFO Crash Retrieval Group
“Special access programmes can be acknowledged, unacknowledged or waived, and the DoD SAPCO, Congress's access point, exempts waived programmes.”On the recordSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
DoDI 5205.11, DoDM 5205.07, 10 USC 119.
“The SAPOC, chaired by the Deputy Secretary of Defense, and its Senior Review Group were created in 1994.”On the recordSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
DepSecDef memo of 5 January 1994.
“A 'content-only' SAP holds information only, with no funding or with funding through a corporate budget.”On the recordSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
AFI 16-701 and DoDI 5205.11 definitions; quotes to verify.
“Ruppelt wrote that the 1948 Project Sign 'interplanetary' estimate was ordered destroyed.”On the recordSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Ruppelt's 1956 book.
“Legacy read-ins are so small that a senior scientist also did accounting and a security officer did janitorial work.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“Early-2000s UFO SAPs covering crash retrieval, reverse engineering and biologics used waived and NOFORN controls, and have since ended with records destroyed or buried.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“Former DARPA security office directors committed serious crimes, including killings.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Gerb's unnamed sources; no names given.
“Peter Highnam is a senior legacy figure coordinating DARPA, research and engineering, and DARPA's security office.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“Paul Kaminski is a very senior individual in the legacy portfolio.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Gerb's unnamed sources.
“Ed says DOE was involved at every layer of the Hidden Wing.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Ed as Gerb relays; Ed is unnamed to the public.
“The Age of Disclosure chart with CIA science and technology on top is wrong; the NSC sits above, and DOE is part of every layer.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“A group of just over two dozen set in 1994 makes policy, and protection offices such as AFOSI's special projects office and DARPA's security office carry it out.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Elizondo disclosed Immaculate Constellation material to Tom DeLonge, and To The Stars was the vehicle for AATIP.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“Matthew Sullivan of NASIC is the analyst Grusch meant when he spoke of a 'night job' at NASIC.”AllegedSpecial Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.
“The crash fits Company E, 52nd Infantry (LRRP), 1st Cavalry Division, at Phuoc Vinh near the Cambodian border in October-December 1968, and the dead teammates narrow to eight names on the unit's memorial list.”Alleged"US Special Forces Confession - I Recovered Crashed UFOs": Fact or Fiction?
Gerb found nothing in the records that contradicts the unit, area, dates or casualty pattern.
“The 'program' the witness describes, built around rapid-reaction recovery units, matches the pattern Gerb sees at Kecksburg and Coyame.”Alleged"US Special Forces Confession - I Recovered Crashed UFOs": Fact or Fiction?
“Jacobs testified under oath to AARO and Kirkpatrick on 10 February 2023.”Witness testimonyUFOs and Nuclear Weapons - A Fascinating Connection
Per Gerb; to verify.
“Over the next two days NRC agents took over the plant's security operations and confiscated the video and audio records.”AllegedUFOs and Nuclear Weapons - A Fascinating Connection
Per Gerb, citing an NRC file; to verify.
“The NRC opened an incident file on a black triangle over Cooper Nuclear Station, Nebraska.”AllegedUFOs and Nuclear Weapons - A Fascinating Connection
Per Gerb; to verify.
“Harnessing fission and fusion is one of the 'great filter' gates a civilisation passes, and it draws attention: Roswell came soon after the first atomic tests.”AllegedUFOs and Nuclear Weapons - A Fascinating Connection
Gerb's idea. He dates the first tests to 1942-44; Trinity was July 1945.
“The NRC, which came out of the Atomic Energy Commission with DOE's predecessors in 1974-75, may share in the cover-up.”AllegedUFOs and Nuclear Weapons - A Fascinating Connection
Gerb's question.
“Project Palladium was known to only six people in the 1960s, so the author of the MJ-12 documents that mention it knew of it.”AllegedUS Navy UFO Crash Retrieval & Reverse Engineering Programs
Builds on Jeff Cruickshank; the MJ-12 documents are contested.
“Sand Dollar was the Navy's first UFO legacy program and Mark's craft fits it.”AllegedUS Navy UFO Crash Retrieval & Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's reasoning.
“Blue Book holds 258 ship cases out of about 13,000, of which 13 were rated "good".”On the recordUSO Case Book: Unidentified Submerged Objects Throughout History
Count from the Blue Book files.
“Blue Book called the Ascension light a flare, though none of the planes or vessels released one.”On the recordUSO Case Book: Unidentified Submerged Objects Throughout History
Natural cause proposed, not demonstrated.
“Blue Book's meteor, flare and satellite labels for ship cases were rushed.”AllegedUSO Case Book: Unidentified Submerged Objects Throughout History
Commentary on commentary; the labels themselves are not deducted.
“In 1951 Maj. Dewey Fournet ran Project Interloper with the Navy on aerial and undersea objects; it briefed the CIA in 1953 and only cases 26-28 survive.”On the recordUSO - Unidentified Submerged Objects
Per Gerb's sources.
“Gerb confirmed that the three Marines Weygandt named are real career Marines.”On the record1997 Peru UFO Crash Retrieval - the Story of Jonathan Weygandt
Gerb's own checks.
“The recovery was a DOE NEST team flown from Sandia, with CH-47s from JTF-Bravo or the 160th SOAR, and he was held at NAMRU-6.”Alleged1997 Peru UFO Crash Retrieval - the Story of Jonathan Weygandt
Gerb's reconstruction from documented units.
“The radar site was USAF Radar Detachment 5 at Iquitos, not Pucallpa.”Alleged1997 Peru UFO Crash Retrieval - the Story of Jonathan Weygandt
Gerb's reconstruction.
“DOE security response teams wore black fatigues in the 1980s and were trained by Wackenhut, which Inman later chaired.”On the record1997 Peru UFO Crash Retrieval - the Story of Jonathan Weygandt
Records of DOE security forces; the link to Peru is Gerb's reasoning.
“Greer's "Brigadier General" title for Lovekin was a North Carolina State Guard rank.”On the recordUFO Whistleblowers [Vol.1]
A fact about the title, not a mark against Lovekin.
“The contractor in the notes was Lockheed.”AllegedThe Wilson Davis Memo and US Secret UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's guess in January 2024; he later favours SAIC.
“The memo was entered into the Congressional Record in 2022.”AllegedThe Wilson Davis Memo and US Secret UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Per Gerb; not yet checked against the Record.
“Wilson's denial is what the notes predict, given the promotions and the career he had at stake.”AllegedThe Wilson Davis Memo and US Secret UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
Gerb's reading.
“Elizondo was being positioned for a National Security Council role to run a 'controlled' disclosure, echoing an alleged 2016 plan under DNI James Clapper.”anonymousSourced, unconfirmedElizondo resigns
Cases (5)
- 1947Roswell: the Army's 'flying disc'
- 1994The Boscombe Down crash (1994)
- 1997The triangle at Twentynine Palms (Hunter Warrior, 1997)
- 1997The crashed egg in Peru (Weygandt, 1997)
- 2013The 'Off-World Technologies Division' under NSWC Crane (2012-15)
Connected
The Aerospace Corporation orgDepartment of the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office (RCO) orgAir Force Materiel Command (AFMC) orgAir Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) orgAir Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) orgArmed Forces Special Weapons Project orgArmy Foreign Technology Division (OCRD, 1960-63) orgBattelle Memorial Institute orgBDM Corporation orgCentral Intelligence Agency orgImmaculate Constellation orgDefense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) orgDOE Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence (OICI) orgDefense Threat Reduction Agency orgEG&G orgJASON advisory group orgJoint Special Operations Command (JSOC) orgKirtland Air Force Base orgKona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011) orgLos Alamos National Laboratory orgThe Legacy Program orgMIT Lincoln Laboratory orgThe MITRE Corporation orgProject Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly orgNational Air and Space Intelligence Center orgNational Nuclear Security Administration (NEST, OST, SRT) orgNorthrop Grumman orgNational Programs Special Management Staff (NPMS) orgNational Reconnaissance Office (NRO) orgNRO Program B orgNaval Surface Warfare Center Crane (NSWC Crane) orgNational Underwater Reconnaissance Office (NURO) orgOffice of Naval Research (ONR) orgNaval Air Station Patuxent River (Pax River) orgPeraton (Veritas Capital) orgAir Force Plant 42 (Palmdale) orgRAND Corporation orgRaytheon (RTX) orgSAF/AQ (Air Force acquisition) orgSpecial Access Program Oversight Committee (SAPOC) and Senior Review Group orgTRW Inc. orgTo The Stars Academy orgUnited States Air Force orgWoods Hole Oceanographic Institution orgDr. Edward B. Doll personEdward C. 'Pete' Aldridge Jr. personJim Ryder personJohn Deutch personLt. Gen. John M. Riggs personMary Sturtevant personRep. Mike Turner (R-OH) personRichard Bissell Jr. personRobert Cardillo personSteve Justice personCrystal City, Virginia placeDugway Proving Ground (Utah) placePine Gap, Australia place
Sources
- Reality Check: Inside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer
- UAP Gerb: 1997 ARV encounter at 29 Palms, testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
- UAP Gerb: Lockheed Martin, reverse engineering and legacy programs
- UAP Gerb: Sandia
- UAP Gerb: the National Reconnaissance Office
- UAP Gerb: the MITRE Corporation
- UAP Gerb: UFO legacy programs, Northrop Grumman
- UAP Gerb: Philip Corso and the Army Foreign Technology Division
- UAP Gerb: Jonathan Weygandt, Peru 1997
- UAP Gerb: SAIC
Mentioned on (14)
- Area52: New UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
- Reality Check: Inside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)
- UAP Gerb: 1997 Alien Reproduction Vehicle Encounter at 29 Palms, CA: The Testimony of Sgt Roderick Castle
- UAP Gerb: 80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
- UAP Gerb: Dugway Proving Ground - UFO Legacy Programs
- UAP Gerb: The Hidden Wing - US Air Force UFO Reverse Engineering Programs
- UAP Gerb: Lockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
- UAP Gerb: The Manhattan Project 2.0 - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.1]
- UAP Gerb: The MITRE Corporation - UFO Reverse Engineering, USO Tracking, & Legacy Programs
- UAP Gerb: Northrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
- UAP Gerb: National Reconnaissance Office - UFO Crash Retrievals, Surveillance, and Legacy Program Gatekeepers
- UAP Gerb: Sandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
- UAP Gerb: Special Access Required - the Secrecy of UFO Crash Retrieval Programs [VOL.2]
- UAP Gerb: 1997 Peru UFO Crash Retrieval - the Story of Jonathan Weygandt