YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 30 June 2024
Michael Herrera - Insights into UAP Encounter and Black Program Insiders
Gerb and his investigator Joey sit down with former Marine Michael Herrera for two hours. Herrera draws the craft, the platform and the trucks, walks through the day in Sumatra in 2009 step by step, and describes his AARO session, where Sean Kirkpatrick wanted only to know who the armed operators were. Joey's radar-data check matched Herrera's account of a later helicopter flight before Joey told him the result. Herrera also describes meeting an insider through Steven Greer, whose claims about an enforcement arm, shoot-downs and their own reverse-engineered craft remain hearsay.
Overview
- Firsthand: Herrera's drawings, timeline, the operators and the AARO session.
- Checked: Joey's flight-tracking match and the 2009 Navy briefing.
- Hearsay: the insider's enforcement arm, shoot-downs and ARVs.
On the record
- RADM Richard Landolt's briefing on the CH-53 relief flights from 9 October 2009.
- Herrera's April 2023 AARO session is acknowledged in AARO's 2024 historical report, which he says misstates him.
Open questions
- Who the operators were, and whether AARO ever used the satellite imagery it mentioned.
- Whether the 'Nathan' photo shows anyone from his mission.
Leads to follow
- The flight records Joey used for the insider-meeting helicopter.
- Possible thread node 'anti-UAP weapons': the insider's balloon tests and shoot-downs, beside case/whitesands-lure.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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9 Oct 2009
CH-53 relief flights begin in SumatraRADM Richard Landolt's briefing; crowd control needed.
Oct 2009
The ridge, the platform and the trucksHerrera's six Marines held at gunpoint by eight operators.
Late Apr 2023
AARO session in a SCIFKirkpatrick asks one question three times; satellite imagery promised.Sean Kirkpatrick
10-12 Jun 2023
Greer shows him an insider's textThen a 2 a.m. text names a CIA non-official-cover contact.
30 Jun 2024
Two-hour in-person interviewHerrera draws the craft; Joey shows his face for the first time.
The claims, checked
On the record (1)
RADM Richard Landolt's press briefing announced CH-53 relief flights from 9 October 2009 and the need for crowd control; Indonesian photos show crowds at helicopters and armed Marines on security.Context that fits the deployment.firsthandUS Navy press briefing and Indonesian press photos (found by Joey)Sumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Witness testimony (11)
His team was a random 'stick' of chow-hall volunteers, not his own unit; a female Marine major briefed them in the wardroom, they drew loaner M16s and flew by CH-53 to a hasty landing zone, then went up a slope for security.Drawn and narrated in person for Gerb.firsthandSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
The craft had a pyramid-like top, corners with vents, scale-like panels and red, yellow, green and blue lights only at take-off; it was 'the blackest darkest thing that I have ever seen', light seemed absorbed into it, and it hummed like a transformer.He says octagonal 'but could be circular'.firsthandSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
As the craft lifted, it first sank slightly while the platform under it rose slowly by about 10 ft.firsthandSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Four up-armoured F-350-type trucks with badges removed, night-vision fittings and off-road tyres each towed a dual-axle trailer carrying a ridged black container with a black cylinder at the front, later described to him as oxygen.firsthandSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Eight operators with Aimpoints and PEQ-16s covered six Marines in an interlocking field of fire with safeties off, then took their IDs and scanned them on a thin smartphone-like device after a BAT biometric unit failed.He thinks more operators were out of sight.firsthandSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
At his AARO session in late April 2023, in a SCIF with Sean Kirkpatrick in the room, he was asked one question three times: who were the operators. AARO said it had satellite imagery of the day and would follow up; more than a year later nothing had come.firsthandSean KirkpatrickAAROSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
He gave AARO and the Pentagon the names of his comrades, and Senate Intelligence Committee staff asked him to approach one of them.firsthandAAROSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Team leader 'Nathan' was not on his mission, and the photo of two men on a helicopter is not him.A camouflage match to the Daily Mail photo is disputed.firsthandSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Joey's radar-data track of the helicopter flight to the insider meeting matched Herrera's take-off time and the ground events he saw from the air before Joey told him what he had found.An independent check, not a document.analysisJoey, Gerb's co-investigator (first name only)Sumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
At Steven Greer's events of 10-12 June 2023 Greer showed him an encrypted-app text, 'I don't want to leave Michael hanging, but I know what Michael saw'; a 2 a.m. text then named a CIA non-official-cover contact, who flew him to a facility, gave him a sidearm to build trust, checked for 'chipped' phones and showed him things underground.The meeting is firsthand; the contact stays unnamed.firsthandSteven Greer
He has spoken with David Grusch ('that's all I can say') and holds that disclosure 'is about evidence, not testimony'.firsthandDavid Grusch
Alleged / one person's word (3)
The insider group has 30-plus years in the program, is its enforcement arm with assets in law enforcement, the military and government, is split by a faction war over disclosure and oversight, and drugs recruits ('pink assets') so they do not recall what they contact.Hearsay from an unnamed insider.secondhandunnamed insider (CIA non-official cover) → Michael Herrera → told it
Non-human craft are shot down in deserts worldwide, and anti-UAP weapons are tested on craft lifted by balloons and on stationary ones.Hearsay; compare the White Sands lure.secondhandunnamed insider (CIA non-official cover) → Michael Herrera → told itThe White Sands lure and the shoot-down question
The group's own reverse-engineered craft are EMP-proof and cannot be hit by rifles, .50 cal or missiles; it is now 'very hard' to tell them from non-human craft, and civilian aircraft straying into restricted airspace near installations have been hit.Hearsay.secondhandunnamed insider (CIA non-official cover) → Michael Herrera → told it