YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 29 September 2024
9/29/24 Bush/Cheney Historical Connections to UFO Legacy Crash Retrieval Programs Ft. VolarRecords
Gerb interviews the Reddit researcher Volar Records on his eight-part history of a power network running from Brown Brothers Harriman and the Bush family through the OSS, Magenta 1933, the CIA, EG&G, Carlyle, SAIC and Cheney. Most of it is public business and political history used as a frame; the UAP links are hypothesis unless a named witness is given. The item of most weight is Gerb's: he names the senior official who took Brad Sorensen into the Norton 1988 ARV display as Frank Carlucci, then Secretary of Defense and later Carlyle chairman.
On the record
- Carlucci was Secretary of Defense in November 1988 and later chaired the Carlyle Group; Carlyle owned EG&G from 1997 to 2001.
- Taber's 1997 account was given to AARO in 2023.
Open questions
- Gerb's source for the Carlucci identification beyond Sorensen's material.
- Where Harry Drew's Kingman DVD is.
Leads to follow
- Narrative lead only: Volar's Iraq 'Stargate' and Bohemian Grove material.
- Gerb's promised McCandlish video with the new Sorensen material.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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1953
Kingman: three events in one week (Harry Drew)A crash, Stansel's forced landing and a gifted craft.
Nov 1988
Norton: Carlucci takes Sorensen in (Gerb)Gerb names the senior official as Frank Carlucci, then Secretary of Defense.Bill Scott's interview notes with Brad Sorensen (3 December 1990)
1997
Taber's great-uncle hears of an egg-shaped objectA senior EG&G engineer's group was reverse-engineering it.
The claims, checked
On the record (4)
The Carlyle Group, founded in 1987, had a board that included George H. W. Bush, James Baker, John Major and Frank Carlucci, and it owned EG&G from 1997 to 2001.analysispublic corporate record (cited by Volar Records and UAP Gerb)George H. W. BushEG&G
Ronald Moultrie sits on the board of Braver Angels, funded by Carlyle co-founder David Rubenstein, and is tied to iCapital, a Carlyle-backed firm.The ties are documented as Gerb reads them; any UAP link is his hypothesis.analysisRonald Moultrie
James Angleton, later OSS, was a boy in Milan, about 3 miles from Magenta, in 1933.Public biography.analysisVolar RecordsThe Magenta crash retrieval
EG&G opened a Watertown office on 24 July 1969 at an address later used by the DOE, and the Wilson-Davis meeting took place in an EG&G car park.analysisVolar Records (corporate records)EG>he Wilson–Davis memo
Witness testimony (7)
The senior adviser who got Brad Sorensen into the cordoned-off ARV display at Norton AFB in November 1988, where a two- or three-star general admitted them, was Frank Carlucci.Gerb's identification from Sorensen's material and his own sources. Carlucci was Secretary of Defense at the time and later chaired the Carlyle Group.secondhandBrad Sorensen → Mark McCandlish and Gerb's sources → UAP Gerb → told itBrad SorensenMark McCandlishBill Scott's interview notes with Brad Sorensen (3 December 1990)
The display held three saucer ARVs, from about 40 ft up to 100-200 ft across, of Fluxliner design, with radial oxygen tanks, capacitor plates and three inward-facing seats.secondhandBrad Sorensen → Mark McCandlish → told itMark McCandlishBill Scott's interview notes with Brad Sorensen (3 December 1990)
In 1957 an Edwards survey crew filmed a landed saucer about 40 ft across that took off when they came within 20 yards; the film was confiscated after he saw it.firsthandGordon Cooper
Richard Bissell told Harald Malmgren in 1963 about 'other world technologies'.Bissell chose the Area 51 site for the U-2 in 1954-55.secondhandRichard Bissell → Harald Malmgren → told itHarald MalmgrenRichard Bissell Jr.Area 51 and S-4
In 1997 a senior EG&G engineer told Taber's great-uncle, head of security at an Area 51 RCS facility from 1997 to 2014, that his group was reverse-engineering a seamless, family-car-sized egg-shaped object 'brought there by some CIA people in the 1980s', found abandoned in the desert.secondhandEric Taber (to AARO, 2023)senior EG&G engineer → Taber's great-uncle → Eric Taber → told itEG&GArea 51 and S-4AARO
Jennifer Granholm acknowledged to Reps. Burchett and Luna that the DOE works with JSOC at times.firsthandJennifer Granholm (to Reps. Burchett and Luna)Tim BurchettAnna Paulina LunaJoint Special Operations Command (JSOC)
In 1977 Daniel Sheehan was sent into the classified annex of the Blue Book files.Volar's frame around it (Bush refusing to brief Carter unless kept on as DCI) is his reading.firsthandDaniel SheehanProject Blue Book
Alleged / one person's word (8)
NEST, housed with EG&G, is the DOE's retrieval team.Compare the Weygandt story.speculationEG&GNational Nuclear Security Administration (NEST, OST, SRT)The crashed egg in Peru (Weygandt, 1997)
In the 1980s the nuclear-weapons complex catalogued UAP reports over nuclear sites.Gerb says 'the NNSA', which was formed only in 2000; he may mean its DOE predecessors. Source not given.analysisNational Nuclear Security Administration (NEST, OST, SRT)
Recovered craft are kept moving: Kecksburg went to Lockbourne and then Wright-Patterson, and Stringfield's 'RB' guarded a craft about three hours from a South Carolina base that was moved every two to three weeks.Gerb adds that in a project he is covering a reverse-engineering test team rotates every six months.anonymousLeonard Stringfield (as cited by UAP Gerb)RB → Leonard Stringfield → told itKecksburg, Pennsylvania: the fireball and the woods search
Jimmy Carter was shown a 15-minute film of a saucer with three landing legs and a ramp, and three tall beings in 'Egyptian-style' headgear interacting with people.Linked to the Holloman landing film.secondhandGrant Cameronunnamed sources → Grant Cameron → told itThe Holloman landing, as told to George H. W. Bush
Kingman was three events in one week: a crash, a forced landing that Arthur Stansel saw, and a gifted craft.From Drew's limited-release documentary and book; researchers have not found the DVD.secondhandHarry Drew (via Volar Records and UAP Gerb)Harry Drew → Volar Records → told itKingman, Arizona, 1953 crash retrievalArthur Stansel Jr
A Marconi 'death ray' (early radar or EMP) brought down the Magenta craft.Marconi is named in the RS/33 papers as head of the study.speculationVolar RecordsThe Magenta crash retrieval
SAIC, founded in 1969, the year Blue Book closed, is where Bissell's 'other world technologies' and the off-world technologies division sit.speculationSAICThe 'Off-World Technologies Division' under NSWC Crane (2012-15)Project Blue Book
Grusch put Dick Cheney at the top of the pyramid.secondhandWalter Kirn (County Highway)David Grusch → Walter Kirn → told itDavid Grusch