YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 1 September 2024
9/1/24 Discussing WD Memo, 2004 JSOC Case and Q&A
Two topics. First, Eric Davis's private Facebook post of late August 2024, which in effect confirms his 2002 meeting with Adm. Wilson ('he told me that he would deny meeting with me') and disputes how the notes leaked, set beside Rigney's and Cameron's rebuttals of the leak story. Second, the 2004 'blue on blue': Ross Coulthart's AMA 'yes, and that's not the only incident', John Stewart's Lockheed source on an in-house recovery team at Palmdale and two airmen killed, and the Sentinels of the Ether chapters set near Coyame. Herrera posts in the chat that the team he met was private, drawn from former special operations.
On the record
- Davis's Facebook screenshot is the first time he has in effect confirmed the Wilson meeting.
- Rigney and Cameron dispute only how the notes leaked.
Open questions
- Whether Coulthart's and Stewart's sources are independent of each other.
- Who died in 2004: two JSOC members (the AMA question) or two airmen (Stewart's source).
Leads to follow
- 2004 casualty and accident records for the Southwest.
- Wood's underwater sites off Florida and Catalina.
- The 1980s MJ-12 and EBE documents in Cameron's files.
- Pawelec's full Greer interview.
- Needles, California 2008 (George Knapp): a possible crash with notable military presence.
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1970s
Lockheed's in-house recovery team (claimed)Per John Stewart's Lockheed source; held craft at Palmdale.Air Force Plant 42 (Palmdale)
The claims, checked
Witness testimony (7)
'He told me that he would deny meeting with me should I publish anything about that. I never published anything about our meeting.'Davis in a private Facebook group, late August 2024 (screenshot). The first time Davis has in effect confirmed the 2002 meeting; before this he would 'neither confirm nor deny'.firsthandThe Wilson–Davis memoEric W. Davis
Davis says Edgar Mitchell held his copy of the notes under a signed NDA and that Mitchell's children passed it to a friend who 'shopped' it to Grant Cameron at a conference; Wilson denied the meeting only after the notes came out.Davis is said to have left the group afterwards.firsthandThe Wilson–Davis memoEdgar Mitchell
James Rigney says he showed Grant Cameron the notes and later sent him a copy; nothing was sold, and the family were not involved apart from Mitchell's nephew, now deceased.Disputes Davis's account of the leak, not the meeting.firsthandJames RigneyThe Wilson–Davis memo
'I never shopped the Wilson Davis memo notes... I just made the notes free'; 'many of the top researchers have now confirmed they have had the Wilson documents for years and chose to sit on it'.firsthandGrant Cameron (email read on the stream)The Wilson–Davis memo
'The group I encountered is private but plucked from former Special Operations groups. I know some of them personally but they are good guys helping me to an extent.'In the live chat. He has said all along it was a private team, not US Special Forces, against HRR vol. 1.firsthandSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craftAARO Historical Record Report, Volume 1 (March 2024)
'Ross has definitely been in touch with me on some details.'In the live chat.firsthandRoss Coulthart
William Pawelec described deep projects including implants for operators made at a facility near Denver.firsthandWilliam Pawelec (Greer interview, released after his death)Steven Greer
Alleged / one person's word (11)
A person told Gerb off the record that he knew of the memo years before it came out.anonymousunnamed researcher → UAP Gerb → told itThe Wilson–Davis memo
Mitchell's NDA was controlled by Robert Bigelow.Gerb's reading.speculationRobert BigelowThe Wilson–Davis memo
Asked whether a 2004 blue-on-blue firefight between a JSOC unit and a Lockheed Martin recovery team over a UAP craft killed two JSOC members, Ross Coulthart answered 'yes', adding 'and that's not the only incident'.Reddit AMA, about August 2024; Coulthart posted no sources.anonymousunnamed sources → Ross Coulthart → told itThe 2004 'blue on blue': JSOC against a Lockheed recovery teamRoss Coulthart
Lockheed has had an in-house recovery team since the 1970s holding intact and crashed UAP at a facility in Palmdale; it reverse engineered one craft in the mid-1980s, hid this from the government, and handed back some original craft while saying it could make no progress.Posted December 2023; the source later went silent. He calls this the heart of the Kona Blue dispute.anonymousJohn Stewart's source (former USMC and DIA analyst, later a Lockheed security program manager)people directly involved → unnamed Lockheed security program manager → John Stewart → told itLockheed Martin Skunk WorksAir Force Plant 42 (Palmdale)Kona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011)
In 2004 a Lockheed ARV crashed in the Southwest; JSOC took it for an NHI craft and sent its own team, which clashed with the Lockheed recovery team; two airmen, both of Asian descent, were killed. 'This is what Grusch refers to' when he says people have been killed.He says he knows the names and thinks the families do not know.anonymousJohn Stewart's source (former USMC and DIA analyst, later a Lockheed security program manager)people directly involved → unnamed Lockheed security program manager → John Stewart → told itThe 2004 'blue on blue': JSOC against a Lockheed recovery teamGrusch on Rogan: retrievals, beings and the threats
Two chapters of Sentinels of the Ether describe a JSOC team watching a human-trafficking operation near Coyame, Mexico in 2004 that is cornered and killed by the traffickers' team, which then flies to a secret base; no craft and no Lockheed are mentioned.Released as a 'play on DoD OPSEC' that mixes fact and fiction on purpose.anonymousHerrera's insider (Sentinels of the Ether)unnamed program insider → Michael Herrera → told itThe 2004 'blue on blue': JSOC against a Lockheed recovery teamJake Barber and the golden egg
Stewart's source and the Sentinels chapters describe the same 2004 event, set where Coyame 1974 happened, 30 years apart.speculationCoyame, Chihuahua, 1974: the Deneb report crashThe 2004 'blue on blue': JSOC against a Lockheed recovery team
Ryan Wood's research has turned up two notable underwater sites, one off Florida and one off Catalina Island, California.secondhandRyan Wood → UAP Gerb → told itCatalina Island reports, 1949-1955
Grant Cameron's released files contain MJ-12 documents dated to the 1980s, new to Gerb, that mention an EBE.To examine.analysisMajestic 12
Greer DPI witness 10892, on a retrieval team at Nellis, saw a landed sunflower-shaped NHI craft and later went through a staged abduction using a 'programmable life form'.Gerb has the files saved in case they are taken down.anonymousDPI witness 10892 → Steven Greer's archive → told itNew UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49
A 'very credible' new contact told Gerb to take particular note of what Corso says happened to the Roswell technology.anonymousunnamed contact → UAP Gerb → told itPhilip J. CorsoRoswell: the Army's 'flying disc'