YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 24 November 2025
David Grusch Fox Interview, Age of Disclosure, Sandia, Current Research, & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
A reaction stream to David Grusch's Fox News interview with Bret Baier and to The Age of Disclosure. Grusch says on record that he saw images of biologics and adversary-program intelligence and was threatened before his ICIG complaint. Gerb weighs the film against his sources: he says he had Davis's 1989 Russian Tic Tac independently, calls Elizondo's chart misdirection, and hears an AARO-deputy echo of the Vatican claim. Rob Jones reports a 2009 DOE 'national asset materials' designation two weeks after Reid's SAP letter.
Overview
- Named: Grusch on Fox; Davis, Elizondo and Puthoff in the film.
- Anonymous to Gerb: a second source for 1989 Russia; the AARO Vatican echo.
- Document lead: DOE national asset materials (2009).
On the record
- Grusch's Fox interview (aired 21 Nov 2025).
- The Age of Disclosure, as quoted.
Open questions
- What the 2009 DOE designation covers; Rob has about nine FOIAs out.
Leads to follow
- The 1950s Secretary of the Air Force memo in Mellon's Signal chat.
- Gerb's four-hour Magenta interview.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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2003-05
Bush-era partial-disclosure conference in VirginiaNamed in the film; details thin.
2008-12
Clapper consolidates intelligence collectionRob ties it to Immaculate Constellation's reporting filter.Immaculate Constellation
2009
DOE designates 'national asset materials'A Sigma compartment, two weeks after Senator Reid's 2009 SAP letter (Rob Jones).
2020
Mellon's Signal chat on KingmanAn SES-2 official and a 1950s Secretary of the Air Force memo.Kingman, Arizona, 1953 crash retrieval
The claims, checked
On the record (2)
ATIP was a cover name for OSAP, per the BAASS slide deck.analysisBAASS slide deck (cited on the stream)AAWSAP and AATIP: the secret Pentagon study
DOE designated 'national asset materials', a Sigma compartment, in 2009, two weeks after Senator Reid's letter asking for a SAP; Rob has about nine FOIAs out on it.The timing link to the Lockheed material is Rob's hypothesis.analysisDOE records (Rob Jones)The Lockheed craft offered to AAWSAP
Witness testimony (9)
He was partly read into intelligence reporting from the programs, has seen images of biologics, and saw intelligence on adversary programs.Fox News with Bret Baier, aired 21 Nov 2025.firsthandDavid Grusch
He was physically threatened before he filed his ICIG complaint.firsthandDavid Grusch
In 1989 Russia recovered a Tic Tac with four dead biologics and a directed-energy weapon.In The Age of Disclosure.secondhandUS intelligence reporting → Eric Davis → told itA Soviet Tic Tac with four bodiesThe Age of Disclosure
The legacy program's chart puts CIA DS&T at the top, over the Air Force, the contractors and DOE.firsthandThe Age of Disclosure
Some craft people see may be legacy-program craft, built by humans.Gerb: this reverses Davis's line; Davis denied ARVs to Gerb's face.firsthandThe Age of Disclosure
An SES-2 official discussed Kingman in the 1950s with Mellon on Signal and cited a 1950s Secretary of the Air Force memo.The memo itself has not been seen.secondhandSES-2 official (redacted) → Christopher Mellon → told itChristopher Mellon's 2020 Signal screenshots (posted 2024)Kingman, Arizona, 1953 crash retrieval
He has recorded a four-hour interview with a content creator who has new Magenta material.Pending release.firsthandThe Magenta crash retrieval
Directors at Dugway have Battelle backgrounds.Career records; their role is Gerb's reading.firsthandDugway Proving Ground (Utah)Battelle Memorial Institute
Alleged / one person's word (6)
Gerb came across the same 1989 Russian event independently, before the film.anonymousunnamed source → UAP Gerb → told itA Soviet Tic Tac with four bodies
Elizondo's chart is misdirection: it leaves out the Navy, NRO, NURO, the FFRDCs and MITRE. The field arm is JSOC elements, 160th SOAR CH-47s (Company A, 1st Battalion) and the DOE Office of Secure Transportation.speculationJoint Special Operations Command (JSOC)National Underwater Reconnaissance Office (NURO)The MITRE Corporation
A deputy at AARO told podcasters off the record that AARO had been in contact with the Vatican.Echo of Elizondo's claim in the film that the Vatican has proof of non-human intelligence.anonymousan AARO deputy (unnamed) → podcasters → UAP Gerb → told itAAROLuis Elizondo
Elizondo and Grusch were targeted, as Elizondo says; Gerb's sources confirm the targeting, not the 'committee of 27' number.anonymousunnamed sources → UAP Gerb → told itLuis ElizondoThe 'committee of 27'
The Jake Barber who took Herrera to the range is not the public Jake Barber.anonymousunnamed source → UAP Gerb → told itSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craftJake Barber and the golden egg
Clapper's 2008-12 consolidation of intelligence collection set up Immaculate Constellation's reporting filter.speculationRob Jones (co-host)James ClapperImmaculate Constellation