YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 17 January 2024
The Alien and UFO Obscure Oddities Iceberg (Level 2)
The second tier of the same Reddit iceberg. The case entries are JAL 1628 (with Knuth's g-force estimate), Wright-Patterson's place in the lore, J. Allen Hynek's turn against Blue Book, the Aurora airship crash of 1897, Gary McKinnon and Voronezh 1989. Gerb leads with the witnesses and treats the planet and hoax explanations as weak. Pop-culture entries get no db action.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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1949-55
Battelle metallurgy for Wright-PattersonGerb ties it to anomalous materials.Wright-Patterson AFB & 'Hangar 18'
1993
Ben Rich: 'the means to travel among the stars'A talk Gerb places at Wright-Patterson; usually given as UCLA.
2001-02
McKinnon in NASA networksSays he saw a cigar craft in Building 8 images.
2019
Knuth estimates the g-forcesEntropy paper on JAL 1628 and other cases.Japan Air Lines Flight 1628
The claims, checked
On the record (5)
Anchorage controllers and military radar had primary returns where the crew reported traffic.Controller statements in the FAA file. The FAA later called the second target a split return, which covers only its own radar.firsthandAnchorage controllers (FAA file)Japan Air Lines Flight 1628
Knuth and colleagues estimate the craft's motion around the 747 at 68 ± 7 g across the circle and 84 ± 8 g as centripetal acceleration.Peer-reviewed, Entropy 2019.analysisKnuth, Powell and Reali (Entropy, 2019)Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial VehiclesJapan Air Lines Flight 1628
Rep. Mike Turner, whose district includes Wright-Patterson, was the leading opponent of the UAP Disclosure Act.Gerb's observation of the 2023 NDAA fight.analysisThe UAP Disclosure ActWright-Patterson AFB & 'Hangar 18'
Blue Book analysed 12,618 reports between 1952 and 1969, of which 701 stayed unexplained.Official totals.firsthandProject Blue BookProject Blue Book
The Dallas Morning News of 19 April 1897 reported that an airship struck a windmill at Aurora, Texas; its pilot 'was not an inhabitant of this world' and was to be buried the next day.The newspaper item exists.firsthandDallas Morning News (S. E. Haydon)The Aurora, Texas airship crash (1897)
Witness testimony (7)
Capt. Kenju Terauchi and his crew saw one huge craft and two smaller lights pace their 747 for 31 minutes on 17 November 1986, the large one holding about 7.5 miles away.Gerb calls him Kenji.firsthandCapt. Kenju TerauchiJapan Air Lines Flight 1628
Sen. Barry Goldwater asked to see the room at Wright-Patterson where the material was said to be stored, and Gen. Curtis LeMay told him 'don't ever ask me that question again'.Goldwater's own account.firsthandSen. Barry GoldwaterWright-Patterson AFB & 'Hangar 18'
J. Allen Hynek wrote in 1972 that Blue Book was a cover-up that glossed over the issue, and that it fronted a more classified group.Blue Book's own scientific adviser.firsthandJ. Allen HynekProject Blue Book
On 13 April 1975 Donald Rumsfeld told Hynek at the White House that he did not have a need to know whether a secret UFO study existed.Hynek's account.firsthandJ. Allen HynekProject Blue Book
Charlie Stevens, aged ten in 1897, told MUFON he saw an airship trailing smoke heading north toward Aurora, and his father saw the wreckage the next day.Collected 76 years later.firsthandCharlie Stevens (to MUFON, 1973)The Aurora, Texas airship crash (1897)
MUFON found a grave marker carved with a saucer-like shape and metal-detector readings at the grave; the cemetery refused exhumation, and the marker later vanished and a pipe was set in the ground, after which the readings stopped.MUFON called its findings inconclusive.firsthandMUFON (Bill Case, 1973)The Aurora, Texas airship crash (1897)
Gary McKinnon says he saw an image of a cigar-shaped craft over Earth in NASA Johnson Space Center Building 8 files and a list of 'non-terrestrial officers'.Named, firsthand; nothing released backs it.firsthandGary McKinnon
Alleged / one person's word (6)
The large object was Mars or Jupiter.Natural cause proposed, not demonstrated; the FAA did no astronomical analysis.analysisPhilip J. Klass and Aviation WeekJapan Air Lines Flight 1628
Battelle did special metallurgical analysis for Wright-Patterson in 1949-55, on anomalous material.Battelle's Blue Book support is documented; the anomalous-material part is Gerb's reading.analysisBattelle Memorial InstituteWright-Patterson AFB & 'Hangar 18'
Ben Rich said in 1993: 'We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects.'Reported by people in the audience; Gerb places the talk at Wright-Patterson.secondhandaudience members → UAP Gerb → told itBen RichLockheed Martin Skunk Works
Wright-Patterson monitored a reported saucer landing in Afghanistan on 24 January 1956, and the Air Force considered an aerial check on whether authorities were hauling a craft to Kabul.Document shown by Gerb; not read here.analysisWright-Patterson AFB & 'Hangar 18'
Mary Evans told MUFON her parents went to the crash site and saw the pilot's body.Collected 76 years later.secondhandMary Evans (to MUFON, 1973)Evans's parents → Mary Evans → MUFON (Bill Case) → told itThe Aurora, Texas airship crash (1897)
The Aurora story was invented to bring attention to a town the railroad had bypassed.Etta Pegues to Time (1980). A hoax proposed, not demonstrated.analysisEtta PeguesThe Aurora, Texas airship crash (1897)