YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 21 July 2026
Current Work, Return of the PowerPoint & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
Gerb and Kermit, without Rob, a few weeks after the June trip. Current events first: JD Vance on Rogan, Grusch's statements on a criminal enterprise and covert slush funds, Danny Sheehan's crash-retrieval photographs, and Puthoff's off-air objection to the ATIP label and his 'wink and a nod' on Kingman. Gerb then sets out early structure (ALSOS as a blueprint, Vannevar Bush and the FFRDCs, MITRE's two Navy programs, content-only SAPs), and Kermit walks through his audit PowerPoint, ending in a napkin estimate of about $110B a year that he presents as assumptions, not a finding.
Overview
- Named: Puthoff off air; Grusch on slush funds; Sheehan on Blue Book photos.
- Gerb's model: MITRE's Navy programs, content-only SAPs, the 1994 watch committee.
- Kermit's estimate: about $110B a year, explicitly a hypothesis.
On the record
- DoD audit history since the FY2017 NDAA.
- MITRE's and Lincoln Lab's missed deadlines for Burlison.
Open questions
- Whether SEC classification orders exist for contractors' classified programs.
Leads to follow
- The SEC rule Kermit cites (17 CFR 240, late 1960s).
- Steven Aftergood's 'hocus pocus rooms' source.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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1958
MITRE founded; a Navy legacy program startsGerb: one of MITRE's two Navy programs dates to its founding.
1963
Corps of Engineers deep-basing studyOne of 12 sites in Inyo County, under China Lake.
10 Sep 2001
Rumsfeld: 'we cannot account for $2.3 trillion'Kermit's starting point for the audit gap.
Jun 2026
Puthoff's 'cheeky wink and a nod'Kona Blue material as pieces of one of probably several 1953 Kingman crashes.
Jul 2026
MITRE and Lincoln Lab miss Burlison's deadlineNo interrogatory answer; no Ruppelt film yet.'Flying saucer talk': Ruppelt's 1952 briefing tape (MIT Lincoln Lab)
The claims, checked
On the record (4)
MITRE had not answered Burlison's nine-page interrogatory, and MIT Lincoln Lab had not delivered Ruppelt's 1952 film, by the deadline.analysisThe MITRE Corporation'Flying saucer talk': Ruppelt's 1952 briefing tape (MIT Lincoln Lab)
Donald Kerr sat on MITRE's board 2006-21, Stephanie O'Sullivan went to the Aerospace Corporation, Ronald Moultrie took MITRE off his public CV, and a former CIA DS&T director now chairs MITRE.analysiscareer records (cited by UAP Gerb)Donald KerrStephanie O'SullivanRonald MoultrieThe MITRE Corporation
The Securities Exchange Act of 1934 allows records to be omitted for national defence, and an SEC rule requires a classification order on file with the SEC; if a whistleblower can show no such order exists, there may be a case.The rule is cited loosely as 17 CFR 240; the whistleblower angle is Kermit's hypothesis.analysisKermit (CPA co-host)
DoD audits since the FY2017 NDAA have all failed except the Marine Corps'; Rumsfeld said on 10 Sep 2001 that $2.3 trillion could not be accounted for; DOGE was barred from classified contracts.analysisKermit (CPA co-host)
Witness testimony (7)
During filming of The Age of Disclosure he told Elizondo and Farah he did not want to be labelled an ATIP scientist, and was ignored.Off air, to Gerb.firsthandThe Age of DisclosureHal Puthoff
He gave Gerb 'a cheeky wink and a nod' that the Kona Blue material from Jim Ryder's Lockheed program was pieces of one of probably several 1953 Kingman crashes.Nonverbal, reported by Gerb; second telling.firsthandKingman, Arizona, 1953 crash retrievalThe Lockheed craft offered to AAWSAP
He knows of a criminal enterprise used to fund operations, and has identified billions in covert slush funds on DoD accounting ledgers.9 June event and a Capitol Hill appearance; he then worked for Rep. Burlison.firsthandDavid Grusch
He saw crash-retrieval photographs left out of the standard Blue Book reports, in the classified annex he tried to open in the Carter years.firsthandDaniel Sheehan (recent interview)Project Blue Book
She is talking to Stephen Miller at the White House about NDA waivers with amnesty clauses.firsthandThe Department of War's PURSUE disclosure waiver (14 Sept 2026)
The IRS was used to pressure McCandlish and Weygandt in the early 2000s.secondhandMark McCandlish and Jonathan Weygandt → UAP Gerb → told itMark McCandlishJonathan Weygandt
Sorensen described 'Aurora' as a remote-controlled pumpkin-seed craft carrying 123 nuclear warheads.secondhandNorton display staff (unnamed) → Brad Sorensen → Bill Scott → told itBill Scott's interview notes with Brad Sorensen (3 December 1990)
Alleged / one person's word (8)
MITRE runs two legacy programs, both with the US Navy; one dates to its founding in 1958.anonymousunnamed sources (knowledge to 2019) → UAP Gerb → told itThe MITRE Corporation
Vannevar Bush is the godfather of both the FFRDCs and the legacy program: OSRD led to the MIT Rad Lab, Lincoln Lab (1951) and MITRE (1958), whose founders came largely from naval special projects.The lineage is on record; the legacy link is Gerb's.speculationVannevar BushMIT Lincoln LaboratoryThe MITRE Corporation
Content-only SAPs hold critical program information with no budget, so all reporting is waived, even to the Gang of Eight; they suit continuity-of-government programs, and explain the Wilson-Davis notes' line that USD(A&T)'s legacy records had no budget information.speculationThe Wilson–Davis memo
Immaculate Constellation was built in late 2017 as a Clapper product, in parallel with Elizondo's efforts, and Elizondo may have passed its material to DeLonge before his October 2017 Rogan appearance.speculationImmaculate ConstellationJames ClapperLuis Elizondo
Exploited or derivative airframes, including small orbs and Tic Tac-type vehicles, go from Plant 42 to Edwards by lowboy trailer into specialised EM hangars.anonymousunnamed sources → UAP Gerb → told itAir Force Plant 42 (Palmdale)
Since 1994 a 'watch committee' of about 27 in a flat hierarchy runs the program, with the NSC as figurehead; DoD sponsors (RCO, DS&T, A&S) and IC sponsors (CIA, NSA, NURO, NRO) sit under it, FFRDCs hold material and all-source records, and Lockheed and Northrop have run breakaway programs since the GWOT.Kermit's slide of Gerb's model.speculationThe 'committee of 27'Special Access Program Oversight Committee (SAPOC) and Senior Review Group
A 'water station' at Dugway is an elevator; witness MS saw a craft with an opening and an inverted cone inside.anonymouswitness 'MS' and other unnamed sources → UAP Gerb → told itDugway Proving Ground (Utah)
The legacy program costs about $110B a year, about $9T to date: an 80-year DoD misstatement of about $102T, less half for ordinary waste, 60% surviving laundering, plus $15T of private money, a third to the legacy program, and a second 60% laundering step.Kermit says plainly it is a set of assumptions, not a finding.speculationKermit (CPA co-host)